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basserman 03-08-2007 01:16 PM
Leverevolution ammo
 
Recently I won a Marlin 1895G in a 45/70 cal. I have been hearing rave reviews on the new leverevolution ammo from Hornaday. Mostly I will use the rifle as a brush gun for whitetails. Any comments on the leverevolutions? Or should I stick with the old 300 grain blunt nose ammo?

JeffS 03-08-2007 01:43 PM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
I shoot them in my .450 and they shot really well. I haven't tried them out past 125 yards but when they hit you know it. We have a old red oak tree we use as a stop behind our target and the whole tree will shake when they hit it. Mine will group right around an inch at the range.

bugsNbows 03-08-2007 02:51 PM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
I've been shooting them in my .444 Marlin for a few months. They are very impressive... I'd recommend them. They would likely knock the snot out of a whitetail in 45/70.

clint802 03-29-2007 09:41 PM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
They are much better than the old flat nosed ammo.

NY ARCHER 03-30-2007 07:01 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
I must agree.. this ammo seems to be the best around. I have been shooting it also and love it. It hits hard and groups wonderful. I think you'll like it, just like we do. Give it a try !!

Red Lion 03-30-2007 07:09 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
I know that vast majority of folks have had really good results from the leverrevolution ammo, but my brief trial did not work well. I shot some through my marlin 336 30-30 and I got at least 2 feet of drop at 200 yards from them with it sighted in 3" high @ 100 yards. Like I said it was a brief trial, like 9 shots, but not what I hoped for. I will try it again, but not too worried as any time I would use my 30-30 it would be when expecting shots 100 or so yards and shorter.

James B 03-30-2007 02:01 PM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
Something must be wrong. The 160 30-30 round when sighted 3 inches high at 100 yard hits .2 low at 200 and 12.1 inches low at 300 yards. We tried them in my brothers Marlin and they were about right on that level. Maybe it was a bad box.

eldeguello 04-02-2007 04:17 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
ORIGINAL: Red Lion

I know that vast majority of folks have had really good results from the leverrevolution ammo, but my brief trial did not work well. I shot some through my marlin 336 30-30 and I got at least 2 feet of drop at 200 yards from them with it sighted in 3" high @ 100 yards. Like I said it was a brief trial, like 9 shots, but not what I hoped for. I will try it again, but not too worried as any time I would use my 30-30 it would be when expecting shots 100 or so yards and shorter.
Yes, something is wrong! When sighted dead-on at 100 yards, my .50 cal. muzzleloader is only -24" at 200, and that's with a round ball at 1850 FPS MV!

retrieverman 04-02-2007 04:35 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
ORIGINAL: Red Lion

I know that vast majority of folks have had really good results from the leverrevolution ammo, but my brief trial did not work well. I shot some through my marlin 336 30-30 and I got at least 2 feet of drop at 200 yards from them with it sighted in 3" high @ 100 yards. Like I said it was a brief trial, like 9 shots, but not what I hoped for. I will try it again, but not too worried as any time I would use my 30-30 it would be when expecting shots 100 or so yards and shorter.
Even though this 30-30 talk is OT in this thread, I am going to respond here. The last statement in Red Lion's post should sum it up for 30-30 shooters. I have read the claims about LeverEv ammo and am actually a huge fan of the stuff since I killed 4 deer and 3 hogs with it, BUT a 30-30 rifle is still not a 200 yard gun (though you CAN kill game at that distance). It sounds like Red Lion is like me, and when I take my 30-30, I know my shots are going to be 100 yards or under. If I even have an idea that a 100+ yard shot might present itself, I will take my 308 or 30-06. TO ME, this is just a good rule of thumb to prevent the wounding of game due to trying to stretch a caliber beyond it's intended purpose. My 2 cents only.

CamoCop 04-02-2007 08:09 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
ORIGINAL: retrieverman

ORIGINAL: Red Lion

I know that vast majority of folks have had really good results from the leverrevolution ammo, but my brief trial did not work well. I shot some through my marlin 336 30-30 and I got at least 2 feet of drop at 200 yards from them with it sighted in 3" high @ 100 yards. Like I said it was a brief trial, like 9 shots, but not what I hoped for. I will try it again, but not too worried as any time I would use my 30-30 it would be when expecting shots 100 or so yards and shorter.
Even though this 30-30 talk is OT in this thread, I am going to respond here. The last statement in Red Lion's post should sum it up for 30-30 shooters. I have read the claims about LeverEv ammo and am actually a huge fan of the stuff since I killed 4 deer and 3 hogs with it, BUT a 30-30 rifle is still not a 200 yard gun (though you CAN kill game at that distance). It sounds like Red Lion is like me, and when I take my 30-30, I know my shots are going to be 100 yards or under. If I even have an idea that a 100+ yard shot might present itself, I will take my 308 or 30-06. TO ME, this is just a good rule of thumb to prevent the wounding of game due to trying to stretch a caliber beyond it's intended purpose. My 2 cents only.
x2, use the right tool for the job.

Red Lion 04-02-2007 08:15 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
Yeah it could be that I got a bad batch of ammo. My 30-30 does well, 2" groups @ 100 yards, with the 150grn fusion ammo, so know it is not the rifle. I am not too concerned though, as I really only look for my 30-30 to be a 100 yard rifle anyways.

retrieverman 04-02-2007 09:20 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
ORIGINAL: Red Lion

Yeah it could be that I got a bad batch of ammo. My 30-30 does well, 2" groups @ 100 yards, with the 150grn fusion ammo, so know it is not the rifle. I am not too concerned though, as I really only look for my 30-30 to be a 100 yard rifle anyways.
Actually, LeverEv accuracy out of non-XLR rifles has been a hot topic on the Marlinowners forum. Some guns like the ammo and some don't. My 336T shoots LeverEvs with "acceptable" accuracy but not as good as the 150 gr Federals that I had been shooting. The terminal performance is the reason that I will never shoot anything else in my 30-30.

Something to keep in mind is that the LeverEv ammo was designed to be shot in the Marlin XLR rifles that have a 1:12 twist in a 24" barrel where as standard 336 rifles have a 1:10 twist in a 20" barrel (my 336T has a 18.5" barrel). From what I have read, no one can say for sure why some "standard" 336 rifles like it and some don't, but it does seem it is true.

My suggestion to anyone wanting to shoot LeverEvs in "standard" 336 rifles is to try them and judge what accuracy is "acceptable" to you. In my case, I can shoot 1.5MOA or under with them in my gun which is fine for under 100 yard shots on east Texas deer, but I was able to "clover leaf" with the 150 gr Federals that I had been shooting.

Red Lion 04-02-2007 09:38 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
ORIGINAL: retrieverman

ORIGINAL: Red Lion

Yeah it could be that I got a bad batch of ammo. My 30-30 does well, 2" groups @ 100 yards, with the 150grn fusion ammo, so know it is not the rifle. I am not too concerned though, as I really only look for my 30-30 to be a 100 yard rifle anyways.
Actually, LeverEv accuracy out of non-XLR rifles has been a hot topic on the Marlinowners forum. Some guns like the ammo and some don't. My 336T shoots LeverEvs with "acceptable" accuracy but not as good as the 150 gr Federals that I had been shooting. The terminal performance is the reason that I will never shoot anything else in my 30-30.

Something to keep in mind is that the LeverEv ammo was designed to be shot in the Marlin XLR rifles that have a 1:12 twist in a 24" barrel where as standard 336 rifles have a 1:10 twist in a 20" barrel (my 336T has a 18.5" barrel). From what I have read, no one can say for sure why some "standard" 336 rifles like it and some don't, but it does seem it is true.

My suggestion to anyone wanting to shoot LeverEvs in "standard" 336 rifles is to try them and judge what accuracy is "acceptable" to you. In my case, I can shoot 1.5MOA or under with them in my gun which is fine for under 100 yard shots on east Texas deer, but I was able to "clover leaf" with the 150 gr Federals that I had been shooting.
Yeah I was aware theleverevolution ammo was designed for the new XLR's, but thought I would try it anyways. I am not really bothered whether it worksin my 336 or not, asI have had good enough performance from the fusion ammo, like Ipreviously said, only really look for my .30-.30 to be a 100 yard rifle anyways. Thanks though.

matt068 04-05-2007 02:54 PM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 
I know I am not going to shoot past 100 yds w/ my 30-30 contender pistol andIdo just fine w/ winchester ammo (5 inch grps at 100 yds) and it is a whole lot cheaper. Some people on this post have summed it up 30-30 is for brush busting 100 yds and closer want to shoot long range buy a gun to suit long range shooting. I was worried when it came out people would try to over extend the capabilities of their gun

whitetaildreamer 04-07-2007 07:29 AM
RE: Leverevolution ammo
 

They didn't make much of a difference with my son's Marlin 30-30 336. Will stick with the flat nose and what the gun was designed to excell at....Under 100 yards and in the bush. To put them out farther he'll just have to use a bigger hammer.


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