Accuracy Hinge Pin for Encore?
 

E Arthur Brown offers a Accuracy Hinge Pin. Has anyone used one and do they make that much of a difference?

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I have Bellm oversized hinge pins in all my Encores, and they do tighten up the action. As for accuracy, I really can't say. In my simple mind, with the scope connected to the barrel, a little "play" in the action should not effect the accuracy. If the scope was connected to the frame and the barrel was loose, then yes, I can see where there would be a great advantage to tightening up the action. Maybe someone smarter than me can shed some light on the subject.

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I had my forend piller bedded,that helped with the accuracy also...;)

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Will it make a difference? Depends if you have a problem? If you have a loose pin now, an oversized pin will help. But, it has to be done properly. Not just push in a pin. You need a machinist/gunsmith to mill out your action hole, and then mill out the hole on your barrel to match perfectly. It should be tight enough you have to tap in. Mine was so loose, I could shake it out. So it helped me. I then had the forearm milled out and a hangar system put in to freefloat the forarme. Finally it went from a 2MOA gun to a consistently subMOA gun.

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I spent a good bit of time researching this exact same question. I decided to order the #1 oversized hinge pin from Bellm. I almost ordered the one from EABCO, but decided to go with the one from Bellm. IMO Bellm made the better argument for his product. Go to his web site, he discusses the hinge pins in depth. I do not have a shooting report, but I will. Tom.

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Guys it doesn't matter if you buy one from EABCO or Bellm, or have one made by your local machinisht as long it fits as it should. If you have a loose tolerance holein your action, and it slides in real easy, its not going to help. It has to be machined to match.

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The way it looked, the EABrown pin does not require milling by a gunsmith. The Bellm does.

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Ok, well think about this. If you hole in the barrel that connects to your action via the hinge pin is larger than your hinge pin, how is a EAbrown, or whatever going to help you? How is it going to make your lockup tighter? What is it accomplishing?

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I was getting 2" (at best) groups with factory ammo and 1.5" groups with my handloads out of my brand new Encore. I ordered the size one and two hinge pins from Bellm, along with the heavy duty lock-up spring. I put a caliper to the size 1 and found that it was the exact same size as my factory pin, so I went immediately to the size two, which was about .004" larger in diameter. Had to use a fair bit of CLP and a drift pin with mallet, but it went in pretty easy. Gun now shoots .750" as a standard with my handloands. Sweet trigger on the gun too that I had my smith do. All that was needed was a little moly and it was a perfect 2.5 #s, no travel, or overtravel at all. Great hunting trigger. I'm pleased with it.

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I am not sure that we are talking about the same Bellm pins, but mine have not required gunsmithing. I have used #1 and #2 in my Encores.

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Sounds great. Mine was pretty simular, but my barrel hole was too small by .003". Thats when I decided to do it right. With todays technology on milling there is no excuse for the slop some of these encores have. They should match by .002" and pins should have to be drifted in, not laid in.

but your right, it makes all the difference in teh world.

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Next time you are in a gun shop, break open an Encore. Just let it fall forward. The thing drops open like a gallows trap door. Once I put that pin it, I have to litterally push down on the muzzle end of the barrel to get it to open. Sort of like a stiff new Browning Citori...takes a little bit of effort. Sure did fix the issues though.

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Where does a guy get those Bellm hinge pins? I'm going to be putting a Pro Hunter barrel on my Encore here real soon and I just as well try something else new when I do it.

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Bigcountry: Here is what E A Brown says on how their pins work.

The original TC Encore barrel hinge pin rotates and drifts from side to side freely every time you open and close the action. This creates a potential for the lock-up to be slightly different with each shot. And, anything that is different from one shot to the next can change the point of impact. Our new Encore Accuracy Locker Hinge Pin locks the position of the hinge pin so that mechanical lock-up of the Encore action is exactly the same from one shot to the next!
The Accuracy Locker Hinge Pin replaces your factory hinge pin with no modifications to your frame or barrel. It simply tightens into place so there is no rotation nor drifting from side to side. The new pin fits all standard and Pro Hunter Encore barrels. You may need to sand some clearance at the inside wings/ears of your forend

That's how it works...

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Well, I told you how I got an encore to have a tight lockup like swamp. I say give spend the money, capture some groups with and some without and give us a full report. Can't wait to hear back from you.

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I doubt you will hear back from me, I don't appreciate the sarcasm and attitude! I was just asking a simple question about a product.

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No sarcasm here man. You want help, but you don't want to help us with a new part? Maybe help us with a review of a part on a gun? Alot of us took time to explain how to get the job done. Free of charge.You didn't have to pay a dime.You just came on here and asked a question and got spoon fed without having to do any work on your own. Instead of an insult back, just say "thanks" next time.

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Blackheel:

It does suck that you pay $600+ for a new gun and have to spring another $15 or so with shipping for a spring and two pins. But you have already made a big investment in the gun, so I would really maximize your return and consider them an option. It certainly won'thurt anything to tighten the gunup a bit.

I couldn't have spent months and litterally hundreds of dollars in ammo and time chasing the sweet spot on that TC around. I would never have known about those pins, Mike Bell's website (which is a Mecca of info for the Encore owner), or how to correct my problems if it wasn't for THIS forum first. Just gotta keep in mind that you cannot understand dialect or tone of voice over the internet. Things that are often said in jest or just as an aside can be taken as sarcasm or outright attacks. None of that is intended at all.

Good luck with the TC.

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I want to appoligive to you black. I know its my excuse lately, but I have quit chewing tobacco after decades of use. And really am not myself. You should ask my wife.

But honestly, after you explained your pin, you did have me intriged. It doesn't appear that anyone has tried your pin, and I sincerely wouldn't mind to have a report on it myself. I know I paid well over 200 dollars to have my forearm freefloated and my action and barrel hole milled and pin fitted. But I found my action at an estate auction, so I only had 100 or so in the action.

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That makes two of us on the quitting chewing.....Do you wake up in the middle of the night craving a dip? I wake up around 3:30 every nite and can't go back to sleep. :(

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No mornings are good for me. And actually sleeping better, but after 3PM, I am a different person I dont' recognize.