06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

my recent guns and ammo magazione published some data in chart form on the bottom of page 66(for those of you that get the magazine).
It show the 30-06 with federal 165gr TB, and hornady 165gr SST out performing the the 300winmag's winchester 165gr FS.
now i think somebody going to have an opinion about this.
dont just look at 100 yards either look downrange. now that retention probably has to do with bullet design but... i havve to go to class soon but if there are requests i might post the data later

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

I would like to see the data. I think this may be a rare case where a factory load is not as hot as it should be. If you compare Winchester's ballistics for the 300WSM vs the 300 Win Mag, the 300WSM comes out ahead, but if you look at any other load data, the 300 Win Mag comes out ahead. I think it is a case of creative marketing on Winchester's part. They download the 300 Win Mag to make their new baby look better. Under normal circumstances using the same bullet weights, the 300 Win Mag tops the 30-06 by a goodly margin. I love both cartridges though and both will always have a place in my gun closet no matter what new whiz-bang superhyped magnum comes along.

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On one of the "Blain and buckshot" threads on the Big Game forum, somebody listed penetration data from different calibers from tests conducted by (I think it was) Alaska Fish and Wildlife (?). In this test the rounds were fired at some sort of sawdust mixture and the .30-06 outperformed the 300 WM for penetration. And there were numerous other rounds ranked ahead of the 300WM, the two calibers really weren't even close in the rankings.

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RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

A slower moving bullet from a 30-06 should penetrate better than the same bullet fired from a faster 300 wm. A slower bullet expands less/more slowly and is able to penetrate deeply.

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RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

What the .30-06 light mags and High energy's do is move the .30-06 up to .300 winmag FACTORY levels. The comparison in guns and ammo was good for the 165gr trophybonded in .30-06 vs the Win failsafe 165gr in .300WM because they have nearly the same ballistic co-eff.
However the .30-06 165gr SST-LM has a MUCH better ballistic Co-eff. and comparing it to the Win failsafe 165gr .300 is not a fair comparison because Yes the .30-06 SST-LM round whips the .300WM failsafe's butt. If you compare the factory .300win 165 SST to the .30-06 165gr SST-LM then you see that although the .30-06 still beats it, it is not by very much.

ALso something else to consider, those Light magnum and High enery factory loads for the .30-06 are very VERY close to the upper limit of what the cartridge can handle IE you won't get much if any better hand loading, and the .300 win mag can be handloaded to damn near .300 weatherby performance. which the .30-06 will never do.

That being said I do love my .30-06, it's my favorite :)

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

I'll take an 06 over any gun.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

the 06 as good or better than the 300 win mag?? Maybe...but it will never be faster...can't be done.
BullHunter stated the reason.....basic physics.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

I can reload my 300wm to duplicate any 30/06 load yet I can't do vice versa for my 30/06.
The 30/06 is great but it doesn't perform at a 300wm level. Like some other posts have said, it's physics.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

the topic is not speed...any one can add 2 and 2...the same bullets...but one with more powder, the one with more powder will go faster becoz more pressure from all the powder bein burnt...but the topic is sayin he read about where the 06 is better....and it should penetrate more coz its moving slower and not expanding as much as fast as said...id love to see the test when you get a chance

mauser06

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

The 300 can do anything a 30-06 will do and is better at longer ranges.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

All depends on the ammo. If you match a bullet to your game or purpose, of course the Win Mag will beat out the 06. If you want penetration, pick a thick skinned bullet or armor type bullet. If you are shooting deer, pick a nosler or something. Believe it or not, I can pentrate more with my bow than you can with you 06. Does it make it a better performer? I think not. With the variety of bullets out there, you can meet about any purpose you got.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

bigcountry, I shoot a bow, but I would have to see it to believe it. I have put a 30-06 round through an engine block.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

Oh come on guys, I am sure you have seen the 5 gallon bucket of sand test. Take your decently fast (say over 280 fps bow) and shoot thru a bucket of sand with field tips. Now take your 06 or win mag and do it. Now try it with water. Seen it done at the outdoor shows. Go to the tech page on bow and ask them. Or sacrifice the arrow and try it. You got to think, that is almost 800grains of projectile flying at 280fps. Thats alot of energy out of the shute. goes down quick and fast however.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

bigcountry, I'll let you in on a secret. I was shooting surplus military ammo. It was armor piercing. You are right about penetration not meaning knockdown.

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

SAND DEER? cool:)

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

SAW DUST!!! What does the Alaskan Fish and Wildlife think its doing? The only bears made of saw dust are TEDDY BEARS<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>I guess any type of ballistic gellatin would freeze up there?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

RE: 06 as good as the 300winmag (or better)??
 

I haveead thistopic. I think there was a mistakein the naming of the 300Win mag. the factory loads for the 300h@H mag makes more since. the hienergy loads for the 06 and the hornday light magloads out preform the 300 H and h &quot;holand and holand&quot; not the 300win mag in my blic. charts some of the hi eng 06 ore close to fact standerd 300 wmbut the win mag betats it out but on the other hand the Hi eng loads do out perform the 300 h @H but only slightly