Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

http://www.savagearms.com/111f.htm


http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS.asp


Savage 111f- $501. 22" barrel(standard calibers), 24" barrel(magnums). Accutrigger, synthetic stock, dual pillar bedding.

Remington SPS-$604. 24" barrel(standard calibers), 26" barrel(magnums and ultra magnums). Remington adjustable trigger, synthetic stock w/R3 recoil pad, hinged Floor plate.

So basically, for about another $100 you could get an extra 2" of barrel length, hinged floor plate, and a more comfortable stock.

Thats about it, so take your pick, either one should kill a deer at a resonable range.

Gunbroker has the SPS for $430 and the 111f for $400, both .270's.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Yeah, right.:D

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Fixed it for you based on facts. ;)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Love the accutrigger.. Savage a smidge more uncomfortable in my hands.. But , went with savage.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Well its decided in a landslide for savage! Next thread please. ;)

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Red Lion

Well its decided in a landslide for savage! Next thread please. ;)
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No, wait, cma3366a hasn't voiced his distaste for Savage, yet:D

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Savage is nice, but Remington is of a higher class, and still affordable.

I go with Remington.

Savage 1-1 Remington

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Who really cares. We need all these savage vs remington etc threads to go away.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

B-I-N-G-O:)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

A rifle made in China of higher class than Americanmade?! Never! ;)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

You can take you ball and go home anytime. ;)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Remington's aren't made in China, Brownings are made in Japan.

I betcha' Stevens are made in China, and who makes theStevens? Savage! Prolly the Savage is"Made in China".

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

What no opinions?? Remember this is a "GUN" Forum, if you don't have an opinion, please don't waste our time with pointless posts.

Thx

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Remington might have a problem(legal issue) with you calling their trigger adjustable?? The accu-trigger is decent, too bad it has that lawyer bar in the middle. Both are decent American made rifles, why so much to do about nothing. Remington over the last 20 yearshas lowered their standards so that they could compete with the lower priced Savage, and it shows. The problem is that out of the box the Savage on average is still more accurate. If you want something pretty, buy a flower. If you want an inexpensive rifle that performs buy a Savage. If you want a nicer rifle-then you need to skip over the Remington, and go to a different brand. Tom.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

A-men

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Pointless replies are aby productof pointless threads?? Look at the forum and you'll see the reason for whyI think yourthread is pointless!! Redunacy isto be expectedbut when you only have to scroll down the page to read the same thingsbeing debated then I say POINTLESS!

That is my opinion and Iwill expressed it how I please.:D

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Well, then lets get some good replies on the subject(not pointless ones saying this thread is pointless) and we'll get this matter sorted out so newbies can just read one thread instead of asking the same questions over and over. OK skeeter!

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

It is like the argument about Ford vs Chevy there will never be a clear answer. It all depends on your personal taste.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

HAHA, Ford vs. Chevy, what argument?? There both junk.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

I have had a lot of both Savage and Remington rifles. I got darn good service from both. I like Remington a little better because I have never had a ejector problems with Remington and i have had some trouble with Savage.

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Yoursaying the reason behind you starting this thread was information for the "newbies" and not to envoke a response from the savage users? If so then I appologize. I thoughtit was in response to the savage accutrigger thread red lion started and others where the samething have been hashed out.

IfI was wrong, heres my thoughts.

2 things nobody should deny is the Remington comes with a better quality synthetic stock and recoil pad.

Besidethese 2 I wouldn't pick a savage based on these personal reason:
Fit and feel
Tang Safety
Internal box magazine
Accutrigger

IME both are capable tools. I will not say one is better then the other in function just personal preference is why I would pick the remington.


FWIW I will never agree one is good for all, fit and feel is by far the most important thing.Thiscan't be extrapolated to everyone based on mine or your preferences. It will never be a for once and for all thing, as the debates will continue as preferences will be the dictator of the individual opinions. All the banging of your chest won't make a hill beans of difference to the other party as they feel the exact same way.


Also IMO judgement shouldn't be passed on a product for which you have no actual experience on. If you actually have experience then you can pass all the judgement you want but of course it is still an opinion but at least you have merit behind them!! I ain't much for here say mumbo jumbo nor data sheet comparisons to find which on paper seems to be the best,I prefer to make up my mind with hands on time.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

All this talk lately on Savages has me itching to buy one to give it a thorough run-down. I can run it side-by-side to a Browning A-Bolt, Tikka T3, Remington 700, Winchester Model 70 Pre '64, Ruger M77, Remington 788, Weatherby Vanguard, and I'm sure there are a few others lurking around the closet.

If there are any Savage reps out there, I want to see a shorter bolt throw, and a lil tighter bolt, and eliminated the lawyer bar. Then, you would have alot of people in my area sold on them! ;)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

savage 30-06

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

if u did that an accutrigger would not be an acuutrigger what makes it so sucseesful is being able to ajust it without voiding the warenty....so poor ass hunters....like myself:D....can have a nice trigger and not be skrewed when somthing goes wrong.....and i would agree it does get a lil anoying but if they rid it and repalaced it with an ajustable...waateed trigger it would be very nice:eek:

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Well the things I don't like about the Savages:

.223 Long action, but they changed that now.
Stocks, to me, are pretty cheap and flimsy.
A friend had one of the detachable mag models, and everytime you would shoot it the mag would fall out. Easy fix, but should never have happened.
I actually like the tang safetys, like my M77:D

Remmys:

I think the action is pretty much the best out there.
Aftermarket parts galore.
Fit and Finish is great.

Price for Price-The Savage is not that great of a deal. IMO

Skeeter, sorry if I gave the wrong impression, I actually haven't kept up on the Accu-trigger thread. I just don't want to see another "newbie" posting this same question next week.:D

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

I have great results with both but my Remmy 700 is 35 yrs old and I don't have any experience with the newer models.My Savages both have SSS triggers and both shoot very well. The biggest advantage of the Savage is that I can change mine from a .308 to a .243 or to a 7-08 in about 20 minutes and the two extra barrels cost me about $65 each. I will say that the finish on a Remington is usally nicer and they typically have a smoother action. Each have their good points. Each have their weaknesses.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

I am not in favor of a three piece bolt. I will stick with the Remington. Good luck.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

I kinda disagree with the whole "one can't be better thing, because its all fit". while it may be true, that doesn't mean a rifle can't be produced with more quality and produced as a better shooter.

Hey, whats a better car, a geo metro or a ferrari? even if your 6'7 and fat, youd still say ferrari, even though you could never fit in one. Why would you say ferrari? Because it looks better? not necessarily. youd say so because the highest function of a car is driving, including handeling, speed, breaking power. Which car drives better? the ferrari!

anywho, I greatly dislike remingtons because they are just sooooo average. nothing awsome about em, nothing bad about em, just average. kinda boring.

Where with savage, they are more innovative, inventing new triggers for example, and creating "one of the most accurate guns out of the box" possible for that price range. They have strengths and weaknesses. Weakness would probably be the look and the worse quality stocks. The strengths i guess could be said to be the accuracy and price.

Remington=average. no real big strengths other than customization, which i don't understand why someone would buy a rifle just to customize it, when they could buy all the parts they need and build it from scratch.

But, now think about this, what would you say the most important quality of a gun would be....

Prettyness? no
effiency at killing animals with less of a degree of error (regarless of how small of a difference there is,)- yes!


so, if this gun is on average more accurate out of the box, I would say it is better than the average remington. If accuracy in killing game animals is its highest function, then the savage is better at the highest function.

my vote goes to savage!

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If you really want to see the difference check with a gunsmith and competion shooter who has experience with both. My gunsmith sat down with me andphysically showed methe differences in quality, afterwards I was sold on the Savage. It was sort of funny since I went in looking to buy a Remington as I had always owned mostly Remingtons. He also could have made more money selling me a Remington. Glad he was a friend and told me the facts. I did read that Remington is making some major improvements in 2007 + models. Remington was pressured into these changes due to public criticism and poor comparison ratings. One change is to the trigger. I expect more quality improvements to the Remington rifles in the future and if they come up to par my next purchase may be a Remington.

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

whchunter- Could you please explain some of the differences??

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So, I guess that we are back to Savage in a landslide! ;)

RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

I find that very interesting to say the least. I have a very hard time believing that statement. I am a competition shooter (albeit a poor one). I am a garage shop gunsmith (even worse). I know a lot of gunsmiths and competition shooters. I would feel safe in saying that the vast majority of them would buy a Remington. Almost all (I think all) custom BR actions are based on the Remington 700, simply milled to much tighter tolerances.

Now,there is nodoubt that a very nice custom rifle can be built on a savage. Itsactuallyasimpler process than the Rem due to the barrel nut. ROSCOE is a professional gunsmith I wish he would chime in, I would like to hear his opinion on the fore mentioned statement.

If you want to build a custom rifle I say that the Rem. is far and away the better choice. No question about it in my eyes. Now, if we are arguing between factory rifle to factory rifle I wouldn't take a stand on either side of the fence. I own both and like each equally well. I like to buy Rem's simply because I can jerk the barrel off and make a custom out of the action if the notion hits me.

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RE: Savage vs. Remington, once and for all.
 

Very diplomatic CMA.

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Or like shato davis said already have the off the shelf gun in the cabinet and custom it when the need or moment hits. I have done that with a few 700's, I like the flexibility if you have an action sitting idle(cheaper to work of its frame then buy the parts.)