RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

Interesting... 7mm is actually .276. I thought it was .284, like the 7mm Rem Mag, the 7mm-08, the 7mm Express (.280 Rem), etc., etc., etc.

Also, the .270 Win. is actually .277 caliber...

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

Yup.
.270 Winchester=7mm-1906 Springfield
actually that was how the .270 was born...there were millions of 1906 brass and millions of 7mm and 8mm bullets after the wars, people had to experiment so the 7mm'06 and 8mm'06 was born and then winchester "perfected" the 7mm'06 and renamed it the .270 Winchester, I believe the .35 Whelen came in around this time too????

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

WHAT????

Milliions of 7mm and 8mm bullets laying around?????????

7mm'06 and rename it 270????????

Man you got to be kidding me??????????

.284 became .277???????????

Best laugh I have had all day. Keep it up. Tom.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

Dont laugh too hard.
People rebarrelled rifles and necked down the 1906 case to hold a 7mm fmj which at the time was abundant to say the very least,around 1920.
Winchester didnt make the .270 until 1923 and never sold any until 1925...they changed the bore groove a little and there you go....buissness is such so winchester put a patent on it and there you go...surely you know that winchester contracted designs, dont you???

.284 came quite some years later

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

That isn't opinion man. That is fact. The .308 does indeed outperform the venerable -'06. Just look at the numbers both ft/lbs and trajectory. In fact when compared to most other modern big game cartridges, the '06 is a bit ofa dog. It owes it's popularity to the WWII generation and it's now starting to be outclassed by the newer, faster and flatter shooting rounds.

As far as the '06 being superior for elk sized game. I disagree. I'd rather have a .308 with a 180 gr. bullet than a '06 with a 200 gr. bullet. It has nearly the energy and it's flatter.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

You got to be kiddin, thats all I can chalk it up too. You obviously have never reloaded for both. I am advocate number one for the 308. But when you go up to 180gr, I bet you I can handload a 30-06 nearly 150fps faster (maybe even 200fps) with the same 180gr bullet in the 308. I put up the challenge to you. I got both, actually a few in both, and got a few chonos, and a few loaded up.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

The .308 is not superior to the .30-06 in any way, the 30-06 has been in the game longer, and has a more storied history, I'd take 30-06 over .308 anyday.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

Brutal, where do you come up with this crap? Dig up a ballistics chart and look at the numbers for ft.lbs. and trajectory, and then come back and tell us how the .308 beats the .30-06 on both. But don't come back until you find the chart, OK? It is simply stupid to suggest that the .308 outclasses the 06 and that the .308 is newer, faster and flatter shooting.

Of course a 180 gr. .308 is flatter than a 200 gr. 06. But, why compare apples to oranges? If the 180 gr. .308 is a good choice for elk, why not compare it to the 180 gr. .30-06, which is faster and flatter than the .308?

People really should check their facts before they come on here posting BS. Factory ballistics, comparing the same bullets, the .30-06 beats the .308 in speed, power and trajectory, every single freaking time. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. Reloads, you can do a lot more with the 06 than you can with the .308 because it will hold more powder. This is really a stupid argument. The differences aren't big, but, there is no way anyone can successfully argue that the .308 outperforms the .30-06, unless they're dyslexic and getting the numbers backwards.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

In the end..the one that holds the most powder will win 9 times out of 10. Especially with heavier bullets. Both are fine calibers but the 06 is the boss here. I am pretty sure the game could care less which one it got shot by though :D


Good to see the ol 300 Savage getting some love in this thread also.

RE: Is the .308 really second class to the .30-06?
 

Unless you handload to get the most out of the .30-06 then there is virtually no difference between the two since the 06 is loaded quite mild to avoid blowing up old military rifles. No game animal will ever know thedifference and I have taken moose with both with no difference at all.