caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

A fellow I was in a band with a couple of years ago has inherited one and said I could shoot it if I bought the ammo but I don't know what it takes and he certainly doesn't. For some reason I was thinking something along the lines of a 30-06 round but wanted to ask here first. I'm pressed for time at the moment but it was on my mind and I was here so I decided to make a post.

Unfortunately he doesn't really appreciate guns but also doesn't want to sell it. I instantly told him to make me a price when he told me about it but he wasn't interested. Oh well.

RE: caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

I would guess that most take .30 Carbine ammo. I don't know if any M1 Carbines were chambered differently.
Make sure that it isn't an M1 Garand which takes .30-06.

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Yeah i knew the Garande took 30-06. I guess we could look for an engraving on the barrel?

Oh well, research time. I could've done it by now. I ended up making myself late with this freakin forum haha.

Good day sir!

RE: caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

Yep. 99999 out of 100000 will be chambered for.30 Carbine.

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nice little brush guns, i have 2 m1's

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You want to be careful,though. The M-1 Garand only took a certain type of .30-06. A 50 grain, I believe. Anything else goes in there, and you're running a risk.

I wouldn't be surprised if M-1 Carbines were the same.

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Assuming it to be true that only certain bullets can be used, I guarantee it isn't a 50 grain. They don't even make a 50 grain for the 06. It would have to be at least a 150 grain. Assuming the Garand is in good condition, I would think that it should handlecommercial loads, assuming proper overall length of the cartridge. I've read that the bullet should be under 173 grains, so 125, 150, 165 and 168 grain bullets should work well.


I've never seen anything but110 grain FMJand HPloadings for the M-1 Carbine. Either should work fine.

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The conventional wisdom on the M1 is that bullet weights between 147-175gr using a propellant with a burning rate between IMR 3031 and IMR 4064 is ok for the gas system.

The gas and operating system on the M1 relies on the timing of the bullet leaving the muzzle and a fairly narrow pressure curve to function properly without overstressing the parts. A faster burning powder might not fully cycle the action, and a slower burning powder will put too much stress on the oprod- potentially bending it.

Commercial ammo might be ok, but then again you don't know what kind of powder goes into commercially loaded 30-06- my guess is that its something similar to IMR 4350. There aren't too many people around anymore that know how to repair and reset the curvature of an M1 oprod, and spare parts will only get more scarce.

I only shoot handloads through my M1. I do not use commercial ammo, and surplus ammo is too expensive and not consistant enough for me to waste my time and money on it.

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where the bolt meets the barel on the top side it should be stanped cal.30 carbine i just checked mine

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Being ignorant about Garands, I made the mistake of shooting commercial loads through my M-1...They were Remington green 150 grain...

Bent the oprod... Evidently the powder they use is too slow...Probably something around the burn rate of 4350...

I replaced the oprod and now shoot either surplus military ball or reloads with nothing slower than 4064...I've read that a 150 grain bullet with 4895 is close to what the rifle was designed for..

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I use 4895 for 150 gr bullets, and 4064 for bullets 165gr and up. I pretty much only shoot 168gr SMKs w/4064 these days.

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Actually, the 30-06 accelerator bulletsare 50 grains. Of course, they are illegal now, as are the 30-30 accelerators, which are 50 grains.

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Actually, the 30-06 accelerators were 55 grains. They were a .223 caliber bullet with a sabot that peeled off after it left the barrel. I never heard they were illegal. I thought they died from lack of sales. And, those aren't really what you were talking about in your first post, were they?

RE: caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

I was responding to what you were saying, that they don't make 50 grain 30-06s, but they did make them with 55 grain, as you pointed out, so I was relatively close in my assumtion.

RE: caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

IF you are talking about theU.S. Cartbine, Caliber .30 M1, it shoots the .30 U.S. carbine cartridge, which is a rimless, straight-cased pistol-type cartridge holding a 110-grain full-jacketed .308 diameter roundnose bullet. MV is 1900 FPS. If you try to chamber a .30/'06 cartridge in a .30 Carbine, it will soon be obvious that the fit is a little tight!



THANKS TO STEVE RICCIARDELLI, http://stevespages.com/page8d.htm FOR THIS ILLUSTRATION.....

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All the military M1 carbines were originally chambered for the .30 caliber carbine round. This roundhasa slender straight rimless case that is1.25 inches long.It was developed from the .32 Winchester automatic round.The .32 Winchester automatic was a semi-rimmed rifle round fired in the Model 1905 Winchester rifle.The militaryball bullet for the .30 carbineweighed 110 grains. Velocity was in the area of 2000-2100 fps.

The .30 carbine is really not a suitable deer round unless used at short range by a good shooter. My Dad hunted with a .30 carbine that igave him for over 35 years. He killed a lot of deer with it, all at short range.

In the 60sor 70s; one Marvin Johnson, of Johnson automatic rifle fame, developed the .22 MMJ. This was the .30 caliber carbine round necked down to .22. Had one one once and it was neat.

Will take a photo as soon as i can find the camera. Will post it on this thread.

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Here are the photos of the .30 caliber carbine round and the .32 WSLR round that it was developed from. The .32 winchester SLR had a 165 grain bullet at about 1400 fps. It has been called "the most useless rifle round ever developed." Some san the same of the .30 caliber carbine round.

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Insert foot in mouth once again younggun. If you don't know what you are talking about, leave your mouth closed and go troll somewhere else.

To answer the initial question. The M1 Carbine is chambered in 30 M1 Carbine as it has already been stated numerous times.

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Look buddy boy, what I said was true, the M-1 Garand fired a specific type of 30-06 round. I didn't say it was 50 grain, I said I thought it was 50 grain, go back and look at my post, I said ".......a 50 grain, I believe.".

Then jpshooter says that no 30-06 is made in 50 grain.

I say that the 30-06 accelerator was a 50 grain, but it was actually a 55 grain. I couldn't remember which one it was. They're too close in numerical value to be remembered.

I just make a simple mistake, which was not my main topic of my post(Main topic was that only a certain type of 30-06 could be used in an M-1 Garand, not any commercial ammo, which is true.)
And out of a small mistake, you come out and call someone stupid.

I have lots of reason to believe that you only posted here to increase your post count. All you do in your post, is critsize a mistake that took place in a post that people had moved on from. People were talking about other things, and you post something off-topic.

Then, you state a fact, that as you said in your post, "....as it has been stated numerous times.

When all you do is tell people to shut up, you have nothing to say, so stick the foot in your mouth, 'cause I'm learning from my mistakes, and I don't care if you think that it isn't fair that you must be in the presence of minds that aren't so informed as your's are, then you can take your little master-minded superiority complex out of here, and do the world some good, because
I'm going to contribute to threads, and if I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected proudly, while you cry in the dark over your milk so long that it's saltier than the sea.

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younggun - how many times a day do you get beat up at middleschool? I'm just wondering?

As for post count - I've never seen you contribute anything to these forums, you just post your BS about joining the military when you are old enough, which is fine, good for you. You have been a member to these forums for 3 months and you have 10 less posts than me, and I have been here over a year......

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Here's a suggestion for you two, why don't you take up your little fued with the PM feature so I don't have to read your squabble?

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Apparently, you haven't looked. I have contributed plenty of info, I say we just drop this thing.

Also, how can BS be good? That's what you're saying in your post, and it's not making any sense, you call it BS, then you say it's fine, and then it's good. That doesn't figure.

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RE: caliber of an m1 carbine?
 

O.K. M1 Carbine as issued are 30 carbine.

The M1 Garand is 30-06. If stamped it will say 30 cal.

150 grain is M2 Ball Ammo which is the standard military issue ammo for the M1 Garand.

The M1 Garand will handle everything up to about 190 grain ammo.

For match grade ammo you will see it loaded with 168 SMK's most likely, which is a lot better for shooting off the 600 yard line over the M2 Ball. IMO

If you ever get a chance to shoot a John C. Garand Match you will be shooting a rack grade M! and everyone will be issued M2 Ball ammo.

I know this strays form the original posting but seem relevant.

They are a lot of fun.

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