Remington 700 police
 

Well, this is a funny one but here goes:

I want to buy the above model in 300win mag. The catalog number is: 5718 or could be 25718. I searched on internet to see a picture of it and could not find any and it is not listed or shown in the Remington 2006 catalog. But it exists because my local firearms dealer says that his supplier has one, buthe (the supplier) can not give a good description of it: the gun is way up in his stock room and he doesn't seem interested in getting it down unless I buy it. Can you imagine.It's not a rifle that they sell often, so nobody seems to know much about it.Well anyway, here's what I hope it looks like:

- 26" carbon steel heavy barrel, not stainless steel,with a muzzle o.d. of around .80, not flutted
- no sights
- fiberglass composite stock
- weighing around 9 pounds
- damn good rifle for long ranges

Can anybody confirm this. Other comments would also be appreciated.

Thank's guys.

Please don't ask any questions on the seller or supplier. I just want to buy the thing and get it over with.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I have had two. I myself do not like them. Funny its taken two 700P's to finally convince myself, I do not like the huge palm swell. In fact, not sure if I really love the H-S stock. First one 300RUM had the roughest barrel you could imagine. Had it rebarreled with a Krieger, then didn't like the stock, so I sold it and got a different H-S stock. This is the only remington trigger, I couldn't get all the creep out of. So I replaced the trigger. Finally, it was a gun I was proud of that shot subMOA at even 500 yards. Second one didn't last long. It was a 308win, shot ok, but found a different girl to buy. At 600 rounds, I was lucky to get 7" groups. Another thing, this 308, didn't appear to be centered nicely in the stock forarm. In other words wasn't freefloated evenly.

Do yourself a favor, look up FN SPR. Finest tactical long range gun you can buy without having one built. I have shot 50 rounds one day, and there was almost no copper fouling with the chrome linedbarrel.The 700P's I had, I would have to spend 1 hour just pulling out the copper after a heavy long range shooting session. Also the FN carries a guarantee, and let me tell you, they honor it. My buddy has a 308. He was having trouble getting coreloks shooting out of it. Well, he called the place wehre they are made in Fredericksburg, VA, and they told him to run down. He went down (about an hour drive) and the head developer, actually a marine himself, sat down with him and shot some blackhills and bam, it was driving tacks sub.5MOA. Told him no coreloks. This guy has a test rifle, he has shot a documented 16000 rounds thru, and still subMOA.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Here's some info for ya.

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700p.htm

RE: Remington 700 police
 

The Remington 700p Light Tactical Rifle is a superb long range gun that is much more portable has a slimmer HS Precision stock. If you search around you will see the great reports. I regularly get 0.6" groups at 200 yards with factory ammo.The only knock would be the caliber choice. They only offer .223, .308 and .300 RSAUM which is a superb cartridge but somewhat bastardized.

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm

http://www.clcweb.net/Shooting/Tactical_Shooting/Remington_M700_LTR/remington_m700_ltr.html

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7015


I'm not going to diss on anyone's rifle it sounds like bigcountry really has a shooter but when I was looking for a similar rifle I also considered the FN SPR and PBR but they were much too heavyfor my purposes. Also, there is a reason why the majority of the sucessful sniper/tactical designs are based on the 700 action.

For $800 you won't find another gun that shoots as well.It's more accurate than guns three times it's cost. Also, I don't think that there is any way it weight 9 lbs empty. My LTR certainly doesn't weight 7.5 lbs empty as it says on the site.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I will ahve to agree, the FN is a brute to carry. But there's a reason why FBI picked that and H-S.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

What were those reasons? I certainly don't see anything that makes the FN's worth the extra cost do you? Aside from lack of calibers available in the LTR.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Oh goodness, world of difference. Havn't seen 700P yet where the trigger didn't need to be adjusted. Accuracy is so-so with the 700P's I have had. Same old typical hammer forged crap they all push out. No fouling, I mean no fouling with the chrome lined FN barrel. FN's mcmillian stock is far superior to the cheaper H-S stocks. FN is custom bedded for that action. H-S fits all, thats the reason I notice the uneven channel.Parkerizing sucks on my 700P. My bolt is off color compared to therest.I rarely see a good blue job on remingtons these days. The SPR isprettyawesome.

Lastly for me, safety of a mod 70 action is far superior over a remington 2 position.I just like the mod 70 action much more. Even though I currently have half dozen 700's. I like 700's but don't hold a handle to a fine sako75 action or model 70. Lastly, my biggest peave against 700, is that cheap C-ring extractor. There's a reason most snipers with 700 change that crap out for a sako type.

The one advantage of a 700action is case rupture.

But then again, with the FN,your comparing a porcshe to a mustang GT. And price is much more hefty also.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Well accuracy is anything but so-so unless I and the several other people who have published reports just happened to get a super rifle.

I guess a chrome-lined barrel would defintely be nice but not necessary. I don't really know the difference between a hammer forged barrel and whatever else. It doesn't really seem to make a difference in accuracy that is for sure.

I hate the Mcmillian stock on the FN. Too blocky,too heavy and don't fit me. I prefer slimmer sporter type stocks but that isn't a fair comparison they are two different types of stocks.

My barrel channel isn't uneven and as long as it's accurate I'm fine with it.

My LTR isn't parkerized it's a phosphate finish which I understood wasn't the same. Of course the bolt is going to be a different color, it's blued not phosphate! It wouldn't be very smooth with tha finish on it lol. Mine on the LTR is super tough. I just got home fromdragging it all over the place through the brush,scraping rocks etc and it doesn't have a singlemark on it. I'm pretty impressed.

As far as trigger that is a personal preference. Almost every factory rifle needs a trigger adjustment. I guess yours just happened to be right for you.

Long ago I went away from the phoney 3 position safety. I much prefer the positive feel and simplicity of the Remington safety. Again, that's personal preference, both do the job.

Some people claim the Remington extractor is weak. Not every case needs, or even benefits from a heavy claw extractor. Mine shaves brass which is plenty good enough for me. Were I shooting a 416 or other larger case I might want a stronger extractor.

Course my gun is new production so everything might not be exactly the same as the things you don't like on yours.

One thing i don't understand is why the Remingtons have a flush crown instead of a target crown. Oh well it certainly doesn't hamper accuracy. What crown does the FN have?

RE: Remington 700 police
 

What can I say. I have only had two, and totally customized another, and actually have compared two. But, it definatly sounds like your type of gun.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I love the 700P.

Thing you have to remeber is that while a ton of sniper rigs are built off the 700, almost none of them are going to just leave it alone. Military, law enforcement, whatever. They all do more work to it when they get it. Trigger work especially. Stocks are either replaced or modified for the specific person they are going to.

This is true of any make of rifle. Any agency who gets one will do a lot of custom work to it. Most even load their own ammo.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Well, thank's to the 3 of you. The supplier doesn't have the LTR, just the regular police model, the 300 win mag, 26 inch job. . This week I'll be over to seethe dealer and try to arrange something to look at the rifle before I buy. If I'm gonna spend close to a $1000, I'd like to see what I'm getting first. I wish someone on the forum would have been able to write more on the regular model. Well anyway, the way I see it, is that if I buy it, first I'll shoot a box or two, see how it goes and than maybe do a bit of work on the trigger or whatever. Maybe I'll like it the way it is. I don't have any contracts yet to do snipper jobs on week ends so a grouping of an inch or so might be good enough for me. (Just kiddingabout the contracts). Do you know of any good books on trigger or stock or barrel fixing (bedding)that could be of help, or does it go by shear experience? I rifle is like anything else: take a T.V. for instance. You buy a model, it'll last 20 years with no problems. Your next door neighbor will buy the same and it'll be in the repair shop more often than inhis living room.
Thank's again good buddies. I'll keep you posted.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

pierrecham,

I actually do have the regular model, but it is chambered in .223. I noticed the barrel channel isn't lined up perfect, but the gun with handloads is very accurate. 5 shots at 100 yrds inside a quarter, thats pretty good for a factory rifle. I just really like the 700 action, just personal preference though. The FN seems like an awesome rifle, although I have never saw one in person. I would saw if you like the 700P then buy it, you can always have a trigger job done for cheap if you need it. Price wise, I don't think you can beat the 700P. I picked mine up for $1050 with a Leupold Vari-X II 4-12-40 TD scope, bipod, sling, and a shell holder.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

There are other forums (ie sniper forums) where I know for a fact that there are numerous people that have extensive experience with the 700P and variants. I'm sure if you look around you can get the straight dope from the experts (ie not us lol).

Good luck!

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I had a 700 PSS in 300 Win. Mag. It was the most accurate out of the box rifle I ever owned. I had to have a trigger job done, the trigger was terrible. The rifle shot factory loaded Federal 200 grain Sierra's more accurately than I could reload. Maybe I just got lucky, but I like the 200's in 30 caliber. The rifle would shoot two inch groups at 300 yards-that is fantastic shooting. I will agree with early post that the palm swell is very large. Too large for a person with small hands. Fit and finish was mediocre at best. But man would it shoot. Tom.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Why is it that the people who shoot these police and military style firearms, are the ones who need them least?

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I believe the words "Police", and "Tactical", are merely buzz words. I bought the PSS because at the time it was the only heavy barreled 300 Win. Mag. that I could find. No more no lesss. If I was a police officer I do not believe I would trust my life to an out of the box PSS, I would definitely buy a custom, controlled feed rifle. But then I am not a semi-automatic pistol fan either, unless it is a rattler(1911). Tom.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

HEAD, for the record, I wasn't calling anybody out, I was just asking, BTW, I like the 110FP .300 Win Mag.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

They offer alot of featuresthat aren'tona normal sporting rifle. It's not like they are that specialized or are like assault rifles or something.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I'm just asking, becauseI really want to know, I see people at the range where I work all the time with AR-10's and Springfield .45's.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

The reason I chose the LTR was because I wanted a scout type rifle capable of bench rest accuracy with a short, heavy fluted barrel and I didn't want to pay $1700 for a Steyr Scout rifle. The LTR was the only rifle that met those specs for me.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I see where you are coming from, Brutal.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

No problem at all Chantecler111. I used mine for a long range deer rifle from a fixed position( I have a mobility handicap). I posted on another sight a question about the scout style rifle. What made you go that way Brutal? Have you had any problems with the eye relief on your scope?

RE: Remington 700 police
 

It's because of the type of work that I do. I could use a regular hunting rifle just fine but it's much more convient to have a short rifle that is easier to handle, pack, point etc but is still capable of reaching out there.

Plus, I fell in love with the rifle I was using originally which was a short, heavy fluted barrel but very light less than 8 lbs.

I love the combination of accuracy and portability.

When I say "scout rifle" I may be misusing the term somewhat. I just wanted a short, heavy fluted barrel rifle that was still light. "Scout" rifles in general are the only things that fit the bill.

I don't havemy LTRset up for long eye relief but I will eventually have a Steyr to replace my LTR. I am also looking for a Grendel SRT-20F. It'sa superb scout rifle as well.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7105

A horror story about the SPR. Not trying to say they are POS or anything just a heads up.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I know this rifle isnt being asked about by the original poster but I currently own a Savage 110FP (their version of the police, tactical rifle) and it shoots incredible. It is a 300 win mag, had a jewel trigger already installed when I got it and no other mods. I am shooting plain old Win silver box plain jane ammo through it and getting under an inch @ 100 yards. Bigcountry can attest to how accurate it is, I carried it groundhog hunting with him last year. I cant wait to see it with my handloads I work up for it this winter. The one thing I did notice with this rifle is the barrel fouling. In fact thats how I got the rifle (I think), I think the original owner started getting unacceptable groups and got rid of it. It took 12 hours with the electro fouling remover to get all the fouling out, Hoppes benchrest soaking didnt even work.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

A friend of mine has one in .308 and I've been with him on the range. They are indeed good rifles. I dislike the actions but they will do the job. He is going to trade his for a LTR though. :eek:

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I had an old PSS in 223 many years ago. The gun shot good, 5 shots under 1" pretty darned easy with a cheaper Swift scope on it. One of my buddies really liked the gun, so I sold it to him about 3 years ago now. The accuracy has since gone down the drain on it. He is going to have it re-barreled soon I believe. Right now it won't shoot any groups better than 3" at 100 yards. The gun has had thousands of rounds put thru it, and my barrel also wasn't centered in the forearm right either. The trigger also needed some tweaking to get it to feel good. Then again this gun was bought 10-12 years ago (just a guess). They may be better now, if it was me I wouldn't do it again. Check out the Tikka heavy barreled rifles.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

oh agreed they dont have a smooth as glass action butyou can get one of these gunsfor $400. Considering it will shoot as well as the $1000 guns Im tickled with it.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Don't sound like a horror story to me. Sounds like they stood behind their product and made it right. Try that with remington and good luck. They do not have a spec. And yes, I sent mine back due to excessive freebore. And yes, they screwed me on my trigger and took off my fine 2.5lb trigger and put on a sledgehammer and charged me for it.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

Taking that long to get a rifle that shoots is horrible IMO. They should have sent him a new one ASAP. I'm not comparing thier customer service to Remington. I don't know anyone thats have a problem with the LTR. The best customer service is the one you don't need.

RE: Remington 700 police
 

I agree. But take it from someone who has tested both, in other words, somebody with experience in the matter, you better hope you don't have trouble with a LTR or whatever.