Can someone explain what a belted mag is?
 

I have been hunting for a long time. I have shot all kinds of guns over the years. I don't do any reloading or anything. But, I've always wondered what a belt magnum really means?

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There are several types of cases that rifle cartridges use. One of which is the belted magnum. Next time you are in a sporting goods store, pick up a box of 7 Mag or 300 Mag rounds, then compare either with your standard 30/06. The "belt" is found near the rim, or case head. There are also rimmed, semi-rimmed, rim-less, rebated etc etc the list goes on.

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Belted magnums were introduced by Holland & Holland with the 300 and 375 H&H magnums. The case has a raised ring or "belt" at the head, just above the rim.
Most folks think this belt is to strengthen the case. It's not. H&H put it there to headspace the case. The shoulder angle on the H&H cases are too steep to headspace off of. Modern belted magnums don't need the belt since they use a less steep shoulder angle and can actually headspace off of it. Most belted mag shooters notice an improvement in accuracy when they neck size and allow the case to headspace off the shoulder instead of the belt.
Few belted mag cartridges have been introduced in the last 25 years. Most big rounds are base on beltless, rimless cases.

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LOL As previously stated by Ranger with the exception of the H&H catridges which need them, beltsare an outdated anachronism...lol. More of a marketing thing. Belts were a big thing during the magnum craze in the 50's and 60's.

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One exception is the .450 marlin which has a belt to keep it from being used in an older .45/70.

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Here is what it looks like. See the belt at the bottom. That is a belted magnum.

http://www.municion.org/weatherby/416G.jpg

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A belted Magnum is a cartridge which has a belt at the base to prevent a fracture, because of the higher pressure associated with these cartridges.

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Also, many people, newer shooters in particular, believe the belt is outdated because of the recent Ultra Mags and short mags, which they probably all own several of.:D

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No, I actually mean it, I am tired of people downing cartridges such as the .300 and .338 Win Mag, because they believe them to be somehow inferior because they have a belt and the new "whiz bang ultra magnums" don't, these same people believe the lack of a belt helps accuracy, BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, if you have a short mag, I apologize, but this is just my opinion.

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Wrong

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OK ranger, I forgot headspace. I guess you own a few short mags as well, eh?

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Ok, I did some research and found that the belt was only used as marketing hype, I apologize to anyone that was offended by my statements earilier, I still don't buy the short and ultra mag hype though.

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Thank you for clearing that up for me cma, I was always too ignorant to look it up myself.

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Actually, cma, I don't really think that kind of response was necessary, either. But then again, you live in New York, and probably voted for Hillary.

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No disrespect to Ranger140892, but he switched something in his first post. The H&H caliber's shoulders were too shallow not to steep. Good luck.

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I don't think your response was neccessary either,cma. Maybe you're just too tired. You might consider hitting the sack.

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From:
cma3366a

To:
Chantecler111

Date:
11/14/2006 11:14:14 PM

Subject:
belted mag posts


Is there any particular reason you feel the need too personally attack me? If you go back and look at the post times, you posted that you had figgured out you were wrong and I posted my rebuttal to your earlier nonesense withing 6 minutes of one another, ie, I had not read your appology when I posted my rebuttal, but I let it stand as it was true.
There is nothing wrong with being wrong, we all do it when we are inexperienced or ignorant of a particlar subject.Sitll, Thats no reason to bite the head off someone who knows better and calls BS. Take a look at this.

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Wrong again.The angles has two aproach points. One on each side of the line.
But if you need it in Big Bird terms...Imagine sitting on the edge of the case mouth of a200 foot tall300 H&H case. If you slid down, and looked at the shoulder hoping it would slow you, would you call the shoulder angle steep or shallow.

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good grief these forums go sideways all the time.

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CMA, you changed a few words on some of those to make me look more aggressive, face it, you acted childish by threatening me, and no one wants to stick up for you.

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CMA, you are honestly a pathetic individual, is this all you do is harrass people? I have checked your post history andyou have a smart remark for eveything. And I never made the I don't give a whatever you wrote statement, and I never called you a nerd.

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I also never made that statment about you being the hottest thing outta your mothers ****. Yeah, CMA, you can play innocent all day long, but you changed some of the wording, and you know it.

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CMA, you can also modify wording doing that as well, you have no solid evidence anything that you have posted was even said.

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I would never make those remarks, nor have the desire to, and anyone on this forum who has watched my posts can atest to the same thing.

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but you cannot modify the text in the inbox view. What you see is what was typed.

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wow, this topic sure got out of hand quick. thanks to those that answered my question. i have shot a 7mag, but i just never realized that little ring was the belt.

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Chanteceler111, I sympathise with you, but,honestly, I think you talk too much. An argument is like playing chess, you wait for your adversary to make his mistake, and when he does, you jump it, not say a bunch of things, than you risk making a mistake, or worse, multiple ones, you shouldn't post so vigourously.

Just my 2 cents.

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Geez folks..dont feed the trolls.... Theres about 3 or 4 names here now that have had about 10 or 12 other names deleted because of their behavior. They get one deleted they just make another...quit arguing with them and they will soon get bored and move on to the next forum. Hopefully someday they will get tired of trying to be cute but I wont hold my breath.

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Doe, I know exactly what you are refering to, and I have nothing to do with that individual.

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why is there so much hate in these forums?

we're all here to teach and learn, not relentlessly hate on each other....

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Certain people seem to think that i am somehow related to a member named magnumman300, who, apparently faked his friends death or whatever.

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Ranger140892:

What is steeper a 15 degree angle or40 degree angle?

If I was sliding down a .375 H&H case, the shoulderwould be a15 degree shallow angle compared to a .30-06 Sprg. Ackley Improved with a steep shoulder of 40 degrees. It would take less effort to climb a 15 degree hill than a 40 degree hill because the 15 degree hill is less steep. Take a look atthe "Unit Circle" orprotractor from your Trigonometry classes, and you willsee the difference.

Hey, I fought saladin.
 

Usually the only hate that flys around is in the politics forum, not the gun forum, but....it happens sometimes, like the time saladin called me "irresponsible", when I hadn't even done what I was talking about.

After awhile, he dropped it for some reason.