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300 magnum
Im looking at buying a 300 magnum but ive never shot one ive just seen what they can do on paper. the biggest gun ive shot b4 this is a 308 so how much harder is the 300 magnum going to kick? i dont want to hesitate b4 i shoot but im fine with the 308 so do uguys think i would have a problem with a 300 magnum ( btw im 17 years old 165 pounds)
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RE: 300 magnum
Which 300 magunum are you referring to?There are many300 magnumsincluding the 300saum,the 300wsm,the 300h&hmagnum,300winmagnum,300wbymagnum,308norm a magnum,300ultramag.
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RE: 300 magnum
ORIGINAL: BChunter88 Im looking at buying a 300 magnum but ive never shot one ive just seen what they can do on paper. the biggest gun ive shot b4 this is a 308 so how much harder is the 300 magnum going to kick? i dont want to hesitate b4 i shoot but im fine with the 308 so do uguys think i would have a problem with a 300 magnum ( btw im 17 years old 165 pounds) Going to kick more? Yep. Alot more. Depends on the load but you can expect 30% or more recoil. Going to have to learn to handlt the 300win mag compared to the 308 but not out of the question. Now ifs a RUM, going to kick well over twice that of yoru 308. |
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the biggest gun ive shot b4 this is a 308 so how much harder is the 300 magnum going to kick? |
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I have been shooting a Rem model 700 in 300 win mag since 1971. It will kick more than your 308 but my wife has blasted with my 300 and she weighed about 120 pounds then. I use mostly 165 gr handloads but have used 180's. My nephew has a savage 110L that kicks the stuffing out of you, so make sure gun fits!
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I have a 300 win mag in a BLR. I was out sighting in on Sat. 4 shot group inside a 2 inch circle @ 100 yd. This was with a hot barrell. It was an initial sight in and I had used up some Power Points to get a basic zero. Then I started in with Win 180 Accubonds for zero with my hunting ammo.I think it can be tightened up some more.
I won't lie to you, after about a dozen shots my shoulder was telling me it was about time for a rest. This probably explains my grouping. Taken in small doses, I think the 300 would be fine for you, but if you plan on doing a lot of bench shooting, then I don't think the 300 is for you. |
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thanks everyone for the replies. sorry to sound like a noob but whats the difference in all the 300 mag's? i was looking at the remington 700.
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whats the difference in all the 300 mag's? |
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Im order of power, I'd say:
300 wsm and saum 300 win mag 300 ultra, whetherby, h & h. If you're deer hunting, 300 win mag is the most you'd need and you don't even need that. Look at a 270 wsm. Those are nice rifles and won't kick as hard, but they will hit hard. :D |
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I've got a 300 Wby and the first time I shot it my shoulder was black and blue after twelve shots. I'm not a small guy (6'5" 295 lbs), but as I've learned, that doesn't really matter. I've learned to get it tight, real tight to my shoulder and cheek. I can shoot it now without a problem and have shot .25 " three shot groups (center to center) with it (normally .75 "). Will a 300 (any of them) kick more than a 308? You betcha. And in most cases, if you are hunting only deer, it isn't worth it.
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What is your purpose for the power boost from .308 to a 300 Magnum? Are you planning on hunting somethinglarger than an elk at distances beyond 300 yards? If not, you really don't need the extra power (and noise and recoil and increased potential for developing a flinch) of a 300 Mag.
If you want to review ballistics, both Remington and Winchester have ballistics tables for their ammo on their web pages which will give you an idea about the power levels of the various 300 Mags, as well as comparisons to what you've already got. |
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ipsc said it all. I hunted with the 300 Win Mag for several years then went back to the 308. Lots more enjoyable to shoot and I have yet to run into a situation where the 308 lacked anything that I needed it to do. Now I don't even use the 308 much as its more than I need for deer. If I go for Moose this fall then the 308 or 6.5 will do the job.
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ORIGINAL: James B Now I don't even use the 308 much as its more than I need for deer. If I go for Moose this fall then the 308 or 6.5 will do the job. I ain't even goin to say it. |
RE: 300 magnum
ORIGINAL: BChunter88 Im looking at buying a 300 magnum but ive never shot one ive just seen what they can do on paper. the biggest gun ive shot b4 this is a 308 so how much harder is the 300 magnum going to kick? i dont want to hesitate b4 i shoot but im fine with the 308 so do uguys think i would have a problem with a 300 magnum ( btw im 17 years old 165 pounds) And im 16 (110lbs)cuurrently right now and this up coming weekend on saturday i gotta sight in my dads 300win cuz my dad cuts some of his thumb off at work so he is casted up and to tell you the truth i'm more worried about my new 7rem mag b/c my gun is lighter than my dads gunand his is the feather weight model so basically this depends on the weight of the rifle. i was 14 when i first shot his 300 and i was 95 pounds but the first shot will be the awakining shot after that you'll know what your in for... Its a great rifle you couldn't go wrond with it.. Good luck!!! Dale |
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Im order of power, I'd say: 300 wsm and saum 300 win mag 300 ultra, whetherby, h & h. From most velocityto least 300ultramag 300wby 300winmag 300h&h,300wsm 300saum |
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Do something to humor me, and don't be offended. Let someone else load the guns for you 1 cartridge at a time without you looking each time. Have them slip in a fired cartridge caseat some point before you adjust the scope.
I will bet you a cold drink you flinch and see it clearly when the fired cartridge is clicked on. Don't worry, 95 out of 100 people you find will do the same. This is a learning tool for you and not meant to embarrase you. If you truely don'tmoveI will be impressed, If you do move I will be just as impressed thatyou went to the trouble of experimenting to improve yourself. If you do move consider not adjusting the scope. If you do decide to adjust the scope only do it after 3-shot groups. Good luck. |
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I hope nobody here ever developes a shoulder as bad as mine. If you do, you will know why I don't use anything that has more recoil than I need to withstand.;)Take some advise that I didn't follow myself, Take care of your shoulders while you can. If something hurts it and you don't need the pain then pass on it. Later in life you will be glad that you did.
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ORIGINAL: Ideaman Do something to humor me, and don't be offended. Let someone else load the guns for you 1 cartridge at a time without you looking each time. Have them slip in a fired cartridge caseat some point before you adjust the scope. I will bet you a cold drink you flinch and see it clearly when the fired cartridge is clicked on. Don't worry, 95 out of 100 people you find will do the same. This is a learning tool for you and not meant to embarrase you. If you truely don'tmoveI will be impressed, If you do move I will be just as impressed thatyou went to the trouble of experimenting to improve yourself. If you do move consider not adjusting the scope. If you do decide to adjust the scope only do it after 3-shot groups. Good luck. |
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I don't understand why people don't do something as simple as using a PAST shoulder pad when shooting from the bench. Why get beat up when you don't have to? You'll shoot much better when you're not worried about your shoulder getting pounded on each shot. I always wear mine when shooting from the bench, even if I'm just shooting the .243.
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That is a very smart idea. I hope others will listen.
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Solitary - good point. Especially this time of year when going to the range in a T shirt. I usually wear my sporting clays vest when shooting. Just yesterday I shot 40 rounds through my Browning Micro Hunter 325WSM. Today, no bruising or soreness. And that's a lot of shooting for that cartridge in a rifle that weighs no more than 7 1/2 lbs.
And when your worried about recoil, your groups are going to suffer. |
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I bought a 300 win in the m77....It would like to have beat me to death...I am 6' 200lbs & I was going to sell it for a 30-06.....I saw the lead sled advertise & recently purchased one. I can tell you as I shot the first round I was very ansy....expecting the kick......I felt NOTHING!!!!!! The lead sled is an awsome tool to have. I shot my rifle better than ever before. Can't imagine life without the Lead Sled....
I say stay with the 308 unless you really need the upgrade. |
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ORIGINAL: bigcountry But the fella has to learn to shoot a decent sized gun sooner or later. We still haven't heard what "the fella" is hunting for or why he thinks he needs an "upgrade" to a 300 Magnum. For any North American big game, except arguably, the Polar, Grizzly and Brown Bears, it seems to me that his .308 is "a decent sized gun." "Decent sized" isa relative term and is completely dictated by what the fella is hunting, and the range of shots he is likely to take. If he's hunting rabbits at 400 yards, a 22-250 is a decent sized gun. If he's hunting rabbits at 40 yards, a .22 rimfire is a decent sized gun. If he's hunting elephants in Zimbabwe, then a decent sized gun will be something a bit larger. But, unless he is going for one of the big bears, or is shooting at ranges beyond 400 yards, there's virtually nothinga .300 Magnum will do that a .308 can't do just as well. It's insulting to those of us who use .308's, or .30-06's, or .270's, or 7mm-08's, or .243's,or whatever, to say that we're not using "decent sized guns" just because our chosen round doesn't say "Magnum". |
RE: 300 magnum
You really need to shoot a 300mag and determine if you like it. For me it took several boxes of ammo before I felt comfortable. I found that you should always (especially at the range) shoot from a straight sitting up position and not laying down forward on the bench. I normally don't shoot more than 15 or twenty rounds during one session. If I shoot a five-round group, I will spray the 4th or 5th ones to right. I can't say that shooting my 300mag is as pleasant as my 6mm or 270.
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ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: bigcountry But the fella has to learn to shoot a decent sized gun sooner or later. We still haven't heard what "the fella" is hunting for or why he thinks he needs an "upgrade" to a 300 Magnum. For any North American big game, except arguably, the Polar, Grizzly and Brown Bears, it seems to me that his .308 is "a decent sized gun." "Decent sized" isa relative term and is completely dictated by what the fella is hunting, and the range of shots he is likely to take. If he's hunting rabbits at 400 yards, a 22-250 is a decent sized gun. If he's hunting rabbits at 40 yards, a .22 rimfire is a decent sized gun. If he's hunting elephants in Zimbabwe, then a decent sized gun will be something a bit larger. But, unless he is going for one of the big bears, or is shooting at ranges beyond 400 yards, there's virtually nothinga .300 Magnum will do that a .308 can't do just as well. It's insulting to those of us who use .308's, or .30-06's, or .270's, or 7mm-08's, or .243's,or whatever, to say that we're not using "decent sized guns" just because our chosen round doesn't say "Magnum". I have to say its none of your or my business. This is a guns page. Not a hunting page, or whats the minimal to hunt with page. I bought a 460S&W. Do I need it? Absolutely not. Its a handfull but I love it. Shooting is a hobby. People probabely shoot more rounds for fun and hobby than hunting ever will. All I know is the fella wants one, and its not too outrageous a gun to consider a 16 year old in the west buying one. its not a freakin 460 weatherby or anything else. If a mature hunter who has shoot a few different rifles can't handle a 300win mag, he maybe shouldn't be shooting a 270win for that matter. Its really not that difficult of a gun to shoot. |
RE: 300 magnum
thanks for all then info everyone sorry i didnt reply sooner. Just to clarify i dont own the .308 its my freinds and im gunna be hunting mainly for elk and mule deer this year but probably also moose in the future so thats why i want the 300 magnum. Im gunna shoot my other freinds 300 magnum before i buy one but i think ill be fine its more for hunting then shooting at the range so im not gunna be shooting a whole lot of rounds through it. thanks for all the help everyone :)
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RE: 300 magnum
ORIGINAL: BChunter88 thanks for all then info everyone sorry i didnt reply sooner. Just to clarify i dont own the .308 its my freinds and im gunna be hunting mainly for elk and mule deer this year but probably also moose in the future so thats why i want the 300 magnum. Im gunna shoot my other freinds 300 magnum before i buy one but i think ill be fine its more for hunting then shooting at the range so im not gunna be shooting a whole lot of rounds through it. thanks for all the help everyone :) |
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I wouldnt buy a 300 as my first rifle either. You may develope a natural flinch and keep it forever. You should get a comfy rifle and get used to it. A 308 or 30-06 is plenty of medicine for deer. 270 and 7mm are also. Maybe a 7mm mag would be a good choice for you. Look at remingtons sendero rifle.
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For the initial sighting or re-sighting a .300 WM on the range, it's going to hurt a little afterward. But I've found that for checking with less than 10 rounds a year it's not a big deal.
And when I'm shooting mine at an Elk, I don't remember the .300 WM hurting. I don't even remember the kick. All I see it the animal when the slug hits and if it's hit well it stops for a quick follow-up shot or it's down on the ground. |
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ORIGINAL: Anthony T. I wouldnt buy a 300 as my first rifle either. You may develope a natural flinch and keep it forever. You should get a comfy rifle and get used to it. A 308 or 30-06 is plenty of medicine for deer. 270 and 7mm are also. Maybe a 7mm mag would be a good choice for you. Look at remingtons sendero rifle. What about the .280, Looks good on paper |
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Here is kind of an interesting article about .280 and other 7 mm cartridges in how they evolved. I don't one one, but it's food for thought.
I've heard many military snipers use .300 WM due to the excellent characteristics about the distant, relatively flat trajectory, speed and force it hits the target with at distance. I know that we may not need all that the military needs for hunting "big game", but many of these traits of the .300 WM are desirable for both hunting and other long range shooting. If you don't expect to need longer range rifle for the type of hunting you do, then find the caliber that suits your hunting style and gets the job done with less recoil. I think that sensible. |
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well i ended up getting a savage model 16 in .300 wsm and i love it. It had a decent kick to it but nothing i cant handle and i love how accurate it is especially out at the farther distances. I dont regret getting it at all
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