Help me choose .308 vs. 3006
 

Well I sold my beater truck so I have the money for the new rifle I want. It will be for sure the tikka T3 lite stainless but need to choose either 3006 or the 308, I hear they are very close but the 06 will go a little further. I have a tikka t3 in 300 wsm and its too much recoil, soI was thinking either the 06 or 270 but was sugessted the 308 as it has noticably less recoil then the 06 which im going for. Im pretty sure itll be the 308 but if there is hardly a differnce in recoilI might just get the 06.
soooooo what do you say?? sorry if its a repeating question.

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On paper the .308 will shoot more accurate at further distances. But your talking 1000meters, on paper!
If you are going to hunt with these either one will do just fine. I'm partial to the .308 but that's just me.

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The 308win will produce less recoil and slightly less velocity.

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I'd vote for the 308. I had an '06 once and it was absolutely brutal in the recoil department. My 338, 7mm, 308 have far less felt recoil than my '06 did. Maybe it was a gun that just didn't fit me, either way it turned me away from it.

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i would go with the 3006, IMO the recoil is not that much different than the 308, both guns have a wide range of load options. 3006 IMO shoots flatter and has a bit more knock down power........but hey that is only 1 persons opinion.
I have a savage 3006 and it shoots great and doesn't kick back either.

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Are you trying to start a 40 page thread????

I was at the same place as youonly 1year ago. I had picked out the kind of rifle I wanted, & was trying to pick a caliber. I was trying to balance what I was hunting (an elk this Fall), with what calibers I already owned (.243 Win), with energy/range (somewhat of a wash between .308 & '06), with the kind of rifle/rifle action I was looking at (little difference between them in a bolt), with bullet choices (too many for either!) and with recoil (again, a virtual wash, but I'm a real p*ssy when it comes to kick!).

I borrowed a buddy's 700 BDL in '06 & shot a box ofWinchester Silver Tips through it. I determined that it wasn't too bad, so I went ahead & bought the 700 CDL that I had my eye on. I had wanted to try a .308 at the same time (as well as a .300 Mag & 7MM Mag...), but the opportunity didn't present itself. So, I determined that the '06 was "good enough" for me, & I went my merry way.

My point? You can't make a bad choice between these 2 calibers. But, you can agonize way too long over the choice! If there's any way to shoot (or at least handle) your chosen rifle in each of these 2 calibers side-by-side, pick the one that "speaks to you". If you can't do this, then just pick one! Neither caliber is going away any time soon, and ammo will be reasonably priced and ubiquitous.

Then, GET THEE TO THE RANGE, and start practicing! A well-placed shot from either cartridge is bad news for most any critter at a judicious distance.

(FWIW,the R3 (Limbsaver's private label for Remington) recoil pad on my CDL made that gun much more tolerable to shoot than the plastic one on my buddy's BDL. I shot them side-by-side last month, & there was an unbelieveable difference: my buddy's on his way to the 'smith to have his BDL upgraded. When I heard you mention a distate for recoil, & an affinity for a T3 Lite, I felt compelled to go into the recoil pad rant.)

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.308 – If anyone can notice the difference in performance between the two while hunting please let me know. Not sure if Tikka makes a true short action receiver but if they do you will have a slightly lighter rifle with a little shorter bolt stroke, advantages in a hunting rifle.

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I prefer the .308.

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Being that you already have a .30 cal with your 300WSM, you don't really need either the 308 or the '06. IMO, I would stick with your first options of the .270 and '06 and opt for the .270. With 130 gr bullets the .270 is hard to beat as a deer cartridge. I know I will get beat up for this but I am personnally not a big fan of the .308. I've had 2 of them and although accurate on paper but without going into detail,did not give me a warm fuzzy on game. (deer and black bear)
If I were you, I would go with the .270 or '06.

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Id take a long hard look at a 7mm08. It will do everything a 308 will do, with a little less recoil. And like someone already said, you already have a 300wsm, there isnt much difference between that and a 30-06

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Sorry if I didnt make it clear but I will most likely be selling the 300 WSM

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The biggest factor in this decison will be recoil and if there is a big differnce in the two

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Chevy...I have a couple of thoughts...1) What type big game will you be hunting??? 2) What distance do you expect to be shooting???

If it is primarily deer within 300 yards...308
But....You could also add 25-06 (which I don't care for simply because of the length of barrel and around here lack of diversity of factory loadings)
Two other excellent choices would be 7mm-08 and .270....The 7mm-08 has gotten very popular around here because it kicks less than a .270/30-06....
And kills deer just as dead.

If you will be hunting game larger and tougher than deer...30-06 would be hard to beat.

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Not much difference between the two in terms of ballistics and felt recoil, if using the same bullet weights, i.e. 150 gr .308 v. 150 gr .30-06.

Advantages for the .30-06: factory loads from 55 gr. to 220 gr. You're hard pressed around here to find anything other than 150's, 180's and maybe a few premium load 165's for the .308.

Advantages of the .308: shorter round means it's available in lighter, smaller, handier short action rifles like the Remington Model 7.

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I was thinking .308 the entire time until you said that you'd be selling the 300 WSM. I would choose the .30-06 because it would offer you a greater variety of game to hunt with it. The .308 is great though.

I would also agree with what has already been said, they kick about the same.

Tom

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RE: Help me choose .308 vs. 3006
 

The .308 "should" have a very slight accuracy edge. The 30-06 will offer more power. I love the .308, but would go with the 30-06 in the T3. Since it's only offered in a long action, there's no real advantage to have a short cartridge.

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Why? Not trying to start anything... just curious.

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The link below has one of the best explinations I have read. . . . .
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/AccuracyFacts.asp

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I agree if this is the case.Even an avid hunter and occasional shooter would never notice a difference between the two, and if not reloading you will find a greater selection of factory hunting ammo for the good old '06.

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My vote is for the 30-06. It gives better performance with the heavier bullet weights; more ammo selections for the factory shooter, and practice ammo will cost the same, if not cheaper in some brands.

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.30-06. It is the classic. You can buy ammo for it anywhere. It may handle the heavier bullets better.

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I hate to say it but any of the 30 calibers in a lite rifle are going to hit you pretty hard. I have a lite 308 and it kicks like three mules. 6.5x55. Will give you an excellent deer rifle with REAL recoil reduction.

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I am very partial to the .308! But if recoil is any problem, take a hard look at the 7MM-08! It is very close to the .308, with less recoil, and no deer could ever tell the difference between the .308 and the '06!

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Another fine choice to be sure.

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Is the 7mm08 good enough for good size black bear and elk?

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Yes the 7mm-08 would be a decent choice for all 3 animals. I love my little Browning Micro Hunter in this chambering. It is a sweet little rifle, as would be the Rem. model 7. But don't overlook the Savage 11F. Every one I've shot or talke to who has one is impressed with the accuracy. And the extra money you save you can put toward a better scope.

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I know you asked about picking between the 30/06 and the 308, ... but since you brought up the recoil issue..... I think you have so many other good choices that you should consider everything before you plunk down your money.
The 308 in a well fitted and non-lightweight rifle will certainly do the job for you, but the other choices mentioned, chiefly the 7mm/08 and the 6.5 X 55 are superb choices for being potent yet mild to the recoil chart. The rifles must FIT YOU though. I don't know if the Tikka comes in the 7mm/08 in the stainless though...

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Interesting article, and it's pretty clear that at the national match level, the .308 was beating the .30-06. But,rather than the cartridge, was any consideration given to the rifle being shot? Could the difference have been that the 06 was being fired from M1 Garands whereas the .308 was being shot through the newer M14s or M1As and the M1A's were more easily tuned to produce better accuracy?

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[quote] was any consideration given to the rifle being shot? [quote]

From the article:

“All that aside, lets go back to when the .30-06 and .308 were the only cartridges allowed in NRA match rifle matches. Both cartridges were used in barrels of equal quality as well as the same action and stocks by several top shooters in the USA. Both cartridges were used in matches at ranges from 100 through 1000 yards. Many thousands of rounds were fired in both types. Bullets from 168 through 200 grains were used with several powder, case and primer combinations.”

It sounds like they tested them equally. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the deer, or the hunter for that matter, could tell the difference but as I said this article offered fairly unbiased, fact based information addressing the topic.

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Lets Keep it simple: Less Recoil 308
Longer distance,more knock down 3006

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Ditto, but when you have these cartiridges that are the same caliber but different caseing (i belve correct me if i'm wrong) i say flip a coin or choose which you like best!!(which fits you the best,weather or not you like long action or shorter action.......etc) good luck!!!;)

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Unless you handload the .30-06 up to its potential then there is no difference in the field between a .308 win and a .30-06. 06 factory ammo rarely reaches its advertised velocities. I have owned both and taken game up to the size of moose with both and see absolutely no difference. The .308 will have a little less recoil and shoot maybe 60-70 fps less than an 06. The T3 only comes in one action length so you will be shooting a short case in a long action, not the end of the world. The T3 is a great rifle and great value. As for which chambering, flip a coin. No deer will ever know the difference.

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I have to agree that any comparisons between the two are virtually identical. Both are fine deer rifles and I debated for a long time before I finally got the 30-06. I just like it's ability to hold a bigger powder charge.

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I've hunted/ shot both, heard good/bad stories about both and with all that in mind my last rifle for hunting I bought was a 7mm mag. A lot more range and knock down power.Add a muzzle brake and it kicks like my sons 243, my wife even shoots. I hunt open areas where long range shots are pretty comon and didnt have the confidencein the 308 or the 3006

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I agree with the 7mag part. My brothers gf (5'5" 110lbs) was out shooting my 243 a week ago, and the other day I handed her my 7mag and told her it wouldn't kick anymore than than the 243. She started banging away with my 7mm with no problems what-so-ever. In fact she prefers that gun over the 2 different 243s of mine she shot.

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I also have a 7mm mag for longer range shooting. But I beg to differ that it's more potent within 50 yds than a 30-06, though it is very close, it's not any stronger up close.. A little harder hitting IMO,than a 270 maybe.

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I really don't think anything will be able to tell the difference what it is hit with at 50 yards or less! LOL Nail 'em in the vitals with a 7mm or '06 and they are going to hit the ground fast.

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In my opinion the only 30 cal round that can even compare to a 7mm mag at any range is a 300 win mag .

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Exactly! my '06, inside of 50yds, will knock em downas quick than my 7mm. Can't say that about 300yds though. The 7mm has a little harder of a hit out long.






I beg to differ dude. any 30 cal bullet inside 50ydsis just as effective as a7mm mag. Ive shot deer with both and seen more of them fall without running with my 06 than my 7mm, though they only go 10yds or so with the 7mm. theyre both great deer rifles. A bullet moving around 2900 fps will do more close range than a bullet moving 3175. The 7mm really shines out at 150yds+