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SCOTT78 08-06-2006 08:32 PM

problem with zeiss scope
 
I bought a zeiss conquest 4.5X14 for my 6mm remington and had the scope mounted at the store. I took the gun to the range to break it in and i am shooting almost 2 inches to the right. I was adjusting it to move left and it stopped. It ran out of adjustment. Does this sound like a problem with the scope? And has anyone dealt with zeiss before?

stubblejumper 08-06-2006 08:38 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
It sounds like the mounts are not square on the rifle.What type of mounts are on the rifle?Do you have another scope to try on the rifle?

bigcountry 08-06-2006 08:45 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
If they are Leupold std mounts, then they didn't set up your windage correctly. They should have centered your crosshairs and adjusted the windage using the rear base. If you don't have these types of mounts, then sounds like you either have reciever out of line or bad mounts.

retrieverman 08-06-2006 09:01 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
I have had a similar problem with the same scope, but it was a mount problem and not a scope problem. I have 5 Conquests and never had a minutes trouble out of any of them. If it is the scope, send it back. They have a great warranty.

SCOTT78 08-06-2006 09:08 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Thanks for the sugestions. I really havent looked at it,i got married so not as much free time as i would like, but i am going to check it out tomorrow after work

SCOTT78 08-06-2006 09:10 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
and yes the are Leupold std mounts

eldeguello 08-07-2006 08:24 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 

ORIGINAL: SCOTT78

I bought a zeiss conquest 4.5X14 for my 6mm remington and had the scope mounted at the store. I took the gun to the range to break it in and i am shooting almost 2 inches to the right. I was adjusting it to move left and it stopped. It ran out of adjustment. Does this sound like a problem with the scope? And has anyone dealt with zeiss before?
How far left did it go before it stopped?? Was there a scope on that rifle before, that worked OK?

I don't know the range of adjustment on that scope, but if it was mounted correctly, you should NOT run out of clicks before you get zeroed. I think it is a mounting problem. The only two times I ever let someone else (store) mount a scope for me, they messed it up! Do your own mounting work!

bigcountry 08-07-2006 08:26 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 

ORIGINAL: SCOTT78

and yes the are Leupold std mounts
Then your set. All you need is a quick good boresighter. You now know approx where POI is zero'd, center up the scope by moving to the extremes (not too extreme), and move to the center, use the windage screws to adjust

eldeguello 08-07-2006 08:26 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 

ORIGINAL: SCOTT78

Thanks for the sugestions. I really havent looked at it,

i got married so not as much free time as i would like,

but i am going to check it out tomorrow after work
OK! NOW I understand the problem!! (Seriously, congratulations. I hope she likes guns & shooting!)

With those Leupold mounts, you're OK. Center the scope's internal windage adjustment by screwing it to the end in one direction (you're already there??), then count the number of clicks while turning the adjustment knob all the way to the end the other direction. Now click the knob back to the middle (one-half the total number clicks).

Next,use the mount base's windage screws to boresight and center the reticle for windage using a collimator. Tighten both windage screws after boresighting. You should now have plenty of internal windage adjustmentavailable to finish up the zeroing with.

Rammer 08-07-2006 10:04 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
I hate to hi-jack a thread, but my Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 on my Rugher 10/22 came out of zero, and it shoots 6" high now, and it is bottomed out for adjustments. Whats a guy do to fix this problem?

Solitary Man 08-07-2006 10:09 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Another way to center the reticle is to place the ocular end against a mirror and then while looking through the objective end adjust the turrets until the actual reticle and mirror image of it line up so that only one reticle is visible.

Personally, I've never liked those Leupold std. mounts. The dual dovetails would be my preference. Then again, I don't currently use Leupold mounts on any of my rifles, preferring Talleys instead.

James B 08-07-2006 11:30 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Rammer. I have had to shim under the base a few times to zero a scope. It shouldn't take much a shim. If it was zeroed and lost its zero, then it would probably be something inside the scope.

Regardless of Brand name, anything made by humanes can malfunction.

stubblejumper 08-07-2006 11:54 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 

I hate to hi-jack a thread, but my Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 on my Rugher 10/22 came out of zero, and it shoots 6" high now, and it is bottomed out for adjustments. Whats a guy do to fix this problem?
Was this gun ever carried on an atvin a kolpin gun boot?

trailer 08-07-2006 01:01 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 


ORIGINAL: stubblejumper

Was this gun ever carried on an atv in a kolpin gun boot?
Ok Stubble, spit it out. You got my attention, I had intentions of buying the Kolpin gun boot this fall...

stubblejumper 08-07-2006 01:23 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
I had one fellow come to me for help after his gun began shooting so high that it could no longer be adjusted enough to rezero.Upon close examination,we discovered that the objective end of the scope was actually bent towards the barrel.After many questions,I gathered that he had been riding on extremely rough terrain with his atv with the rifle in a kolpin gun boot.I have also seen many cases where rifles carried in kolpin gun boots have had problems holding zero. The design of the kolpin gun boot is badly flawed in that unless you have a very long barrel,the scope will rest on the case longbefore the barrel reaches the end of the barrel channel.As a result the scope holds all of the guns weight,and absorbs all of the bumps and shocks that the atv endures.Thepart of the casewhere the scope will rest is angled as well so the case will try topush the scope objective down towards the rifle.

trailer 08-07-2006 01:58 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
That’s not good. So what type of rifle rest would you suggest for an ATV...( sorry for the hi-jack )...:)

stubblejumper 08-07-2006 02:12 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
I strap my hard case across the rack.I have a pair of rubber rests on the rack and use nylon straps with quick release buckles,so it isn't a big deal to attach and free the case.I don't hunt off the atv ,so a few extra seconds in accessing my gun is not a big deal.

Rammer 08-07-2006 02:25 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Stubble - The gun has never been in a gun carrier on a 4 wheeler. I'd also strongly advise against not using a Kolpin gun boot. My buddy and I we were hunting Nebraska 2 years ago and he made it 3 miles with his before his brand new Burris scope crosshairs went sideways/busted. Good thing I was packing mine the way that you described, before the hunt he was tryin to talk me into getting a gunboot, and I decided that the 80 some dollars would be better in fuel for the trip.:D

The problem with my scope came after I changed from CCI Mini Mags to the cheap Federal ammo found at Wally World. So, I can just shim it? Or do you guys think its the scope?

bigcountry 08-07-2006 02:48 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 

ORIGINAL: Rammer

Stubble - The gun has never been in a gun carrier on a 4 wheeler. I'd also strongly advise against not using a Kolpin gun boot. My buddy and I we were hunting Nebraska 2 years ago and he made it 3 miles with his before his brand new Burris scope crosshairs went sideways/busted. Good thing I was packing mine the way that you described, before the hunt he was tryin to talk me into getting a gunboot, and I decided that the 80 some dollars would be better in fuel for the trip.:D

The problem with my scope came after I changed from CCI Mini Mags to the cheap Federal ammo found at Wally World. So, I can just shim it? Or do you guys think its the scope?
Rammer, you changed ammo, you changed velocity, and Bullistics, hate to tell you but those things change POI. I know I shoot stingers, and those compared to federal classics is about 6" at 100 yards.

Rammer 08-07-2006 03:49 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
I better expound on this a lil more. I changed ammo (which never makes more than an inch of difference in this gun) tried to zero it with the Federal ammo to no avail. Then I switched back to the CCI ammo, still wasn't wanting to zero (this is at 30 yards). Then I got some Remington ammo an tried, they all impacted 5-6" high at 30 yards, left to right is perfect. I might switch scopes and try it tonite, see whats going on.

The gun is setup like this. Weaver type bases, millet rings, Carbon fiber barrel, Hogue Over Molded stock, also has a Power Custom trigger job, and some other power custom accessories.

trailer 08-07-2006 05:36 PM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Thanks for the tip Stubble. That just might be the best way to go when investing so much in the firearm and time to set it up...:D

skeeter 7MM 08-09-2006 12:06 AM

RE: problem with zeiss scope
 
Sorry further to the gunboot talk, I too have seen problems that Stubble speaks of. I fill the lower portion of my boot with high density foam then wrapped it in duct tape and placed a pull string to remove(allows me to change the fillerfordifferent barrel size). In doing such the force is on the barrel not the scope and I have never experienced a problem, shift, etc in many years of koplin boot use. Just an ideafor those who have boots already!


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