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i went to the gun shop today to check out a remington 700 mountain rifle. they had one in stock just like i wanted. the one in stainless with the laminated stock. it feels great and everything but man is that barrel ever skinny!! one of the reasons i want a 260 is cause it'll be a pleasure to shoot at the bench as well. with a barrel that skinny am i gonna have to wait 10 mins after every shot? my .22 has a thicker barrel then that! maybe i'm making to much out of it but if ur in the field and for some reason have to shoot more then once at a deer or whatever will the barrel heat so fast that after the first shot u ain't hittn anywhere near to where ur aiming?

let me know what ur thoughts are on this guys. deer season's comming mighty quick!

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PB yep its' gonna walk after the barrel heats up but that is an allright tradeoff to a degree and I like the rifle. The problem I have with Remington is the dangerous fire control mechanism they have...ie the trigger and safety. Plenty of other manufacturers out there with a better trigger system and comparable or better accuracy.

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You're right. That thin barrel will heat up and shift impact on the bench. It's a non issue for a mountain/hunting rifle. I don't think a quick second shot will cause your point of impact to go hog wild, but not what you'd want in a target rifle. If you want a rifle for informal paper punching, I'd look to something with a little more meat to the barrel.

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dang it! i'd like to shoot her of the bench too. u guys know of any other light weight rifles the come in 260? remington has the titanium series but that thing is just a tad to expensive. maybe i could get the mountain rifle and get a different barrel put on by a gun smith. i bet that would cost me a couple hundred extra tho. the reason i'm getting a small caliber like the 260 is so i can have a really light weight gun. help me out here guys. what do u think? i'm open to suggestions.

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HUMMMMMMM light weight and target bbl? you will have to trade something here. Look into a fluted bbl, it'll have a bit less weight.

Oldelkhunter, if your 700 is befor mid 80's than a gun smith can fix the safety thing, all the newer ons canbe opened with it on "safe"

Hurry up and wait.

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bruce what does bbl stand for?

while we're at it i have a couple more questions. do the mnt rifles have a free floating barrel? are they glass or pillar bedded? would it be possible to flute a skinny barrel like the one that comes with the mnt rifle or would that make it to flimsy? i guess i could get the blot fluted to shave some more weight off as well.

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Bruce I am well aware of how the Remington action functions..having owned just a couple of these rifles both old and newer models...They are about the most dangerous bolt rifle one can own period...I had a bad experience with a 25-06 ADL that I bought in the early 70's and had I not been paying attention and acting safely would have killed my best friend. Gun went off when switching the safety to on to unload the gun. Does anyone ask themselves why these things don't happen with other gun makes? Thats why Remington was sued and that is the result of it switching the safety mechanism. I don't carry a gun with a round in the chamber until Whatever I am hunting is right there. I would not risk my life or anyone elses with a gun that has just .020 if that of steel holding the firing pin from hitting the primer. Now their action is fine and is accurate but there are others out there that are just as accurate. I know that Remington pumps big dollars into their advertising and all these "Professional Hunters" on the Outdoor channel carry them but there are plenty of other guns that will outshoot them and are infinitely safer.

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I will not own a Remington for the one simple reason that the bolt will open when on 'safe'. gg.

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PrarieBoy,
With my Rem. Mtn rifle I could reel off five shots from the bench before the barrel heated up. I never noticed too much impact shift while load testing, it shot about the same cool or hot. One thing to think about , thin barrel heats up fast and cools off fast. IMHO the Mtn rifle is one nice piece of equipment.
Also something to think about if you are shooting in cold ambient temps barrel heating usually isn't a problem. Most of my shooting was in ambient temps between 40-90F.
Rem. 222

Edited by - Rem. 222 on 10/31/2002 20:31:05

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As far as the impact changing when the barrel heats up. It's definitely not a varmit gun. But it'll take more that 5 shots to do it. Just this past Sunday 5 shots, with less than 30 seconds between shots and one ragged hole at 100 yards. Rem 700 mnt in 7mm-08. I've seen them walk when they heat up. But find it's usually due to a pressure point on the stock more than the barrel itsef. As far as the trigger goes... everything I've heard from guys who know what they are talking about is this is caused by improper adjustment of the trigger. Usually by a do it your selfer. Everyone tells these guys that it's so easy to do. So a lot of guys do it themselves. Bad idea in my opinion. I do all my gun maintanence except for the trigger. I leave that to the professionals. By the way always point the muzzle in a safe direction. You never know when the gun will have a malfunction no matter what manufacturer you shoot.

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hehe any of you don't want those old remingtons i'll take them!!
prairie boy the model seven comes in 260 and i prefer it over a mtn 700.
I have two sevens and yes to sight in i wait between shots. but they are great guns. i'll have one on opening day in less than two weeks.
And whats this crap about the bolt will open in the safe position SO!
i think it is safer than brownings. i would rather know the gun was in the safe position to open the bolt than in the FIRE!!!
I keep a round in the chamber at all times when hunting !
I have muzzle control!
And the ruger ultra lights are nice give them a look. browning are nice . the only reason i won't buy one is that the safety position has to be on the FIRE position to open the bolt.
Now i will say that i am not happy with remingtons decision to put that plastic Klintoon key on the bolt shroud.they could put it on the gun but make it tasteful please!cheap looking!!
the ruger would be my next choice. they make it now in 300rem mag short action.

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Ok I must ask, why does it matter that the bolt will open in the Safe Position?

I Have a 700 BDL-DM deluxe, I also own a Browning Abolt, both are great guns. However my 700 beats my browning hands down in the accuracy department.

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Skeeter if i recall correctly some (no names) claimed that they were hunting and the brush caused the bolt to come open thus ejecting the round. WHAT ! SO!
This makes the gun inferior? NOT! maybe the operator?

And oldelkhunter just don't like remingtons. he is a good guy but just don't like them remingtons. I think he knows i like mine!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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The Mtn rifle has a pressure point at the end of the forearm,
the best thing is to see how it shoots like it is,if it don't take the pressure point out if that don't work you can put it back by inserting a bussines card or something to buid it back up.
Been shooting Remingtons over 50 yrs never had a problem with them
going off,Have allways done my own trigger work on all my rifles,don't mess with the pumps or autos though,have found out that if you get the remington triggers down to around 2 lbs or less they will go off sometimes switching the safty off,this is only my observation,to be safe I don't go beyond 3 lbs.
Ruger makes the MK11 in 260,I have one of those in it shoots great and have taken several deer in it,but the trigger is very stiff without having it fixed.I think that savage and browing make theirs in a 260 also.
I had the mtn rifle in 260 but traded it for one in 30/06 because the
Ruger shot a little better,didn't really need 2,and the 06 shoots great as well.

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The big deal about the bolt opening with safty on is that while coming thru thick undergrowth or other heavy cover something could snag your bolt and slightly lift it. If you try to take a shot the gun will not fire as the bolt has to be completely closed to fire. This will happen and has happened to me but only cost me a smaller buck. I now check the bolt on occasion while still hunting. I will never give up my Remington.

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I have no problems with Remingtons they are good shooters generally and mostly after doing the trigger and bedding. The safeties suck..that is not only my opinion. There are more than a couple of dozen custom gunmakers who design their custom actions right off the remington action but end up putting a Sako or M16 extractor on it and a 3 position wing safety on the bolt which strangely reminds me of a Winchester safety...Must be my imagination. I have bought many Remingtons over the years and still have a few in the gun safe but I would not buy a new one on a dare.

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Old,
I mentioned it, because I have an 1982 custom, that you have to put on&quot;fire&quot; to open. It'll be fixed this year. On my new one, I can open the bolt with it in the &quot;safe&quot; position.

Prairie,
bbl = barrel

Hurry up and wait.

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Oldelkhunter <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Bruce i would look at replacing it with an aftermarket trigger. yes remington is doing them free but a good gun deserves a timney or shilen.i am hoping to put some on my guns in the future.
they sell factory blemishes that work great just cosmetic. find there website.

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SouthArkRebel,
I wouldn't waste money on a Timney. You can rework the factory trigger and get better results than you can with the Timney. The only replacement triggers worth the trouble are Jewell, and Rifle Basix triggers.
The most worthless money I spent on my 700 was a Timney. The gun dealer tried to tell me , but I wouldn't listen.
I had one of the board members here rework the factory trigger on my 700 6BR. Much smoother than any Timney I have ran across.

Rem. 222

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PB I have to apologize...as usual I get sidetracked on a discussion about something else not having to do with your question. I have picked up these mountain rifles and they are good handling guns,attractive guns and yes the barrel is thin but you know in my experience thin doesn't always mean poor accuracy in fact some have shot better than &quot;heavy&quot;, Its all in the bedding and the time period you give the gun between shots and the outside temperature. In a actual hunting situation especially with what you have in the frozen northland it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans. You want to see skinny barrels look at a NULA(new ultralight arms barrel) I have seen soda straws that are thicker but they can and do shoot like a house on fire. SOARKREBEL are you implying that I am pulling your leg? :)

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Nah oldelkhunter it's just that everytime a remington topic comes up you push those japanese brownings. and i have to stand up for my remingtons. and you are right remington bolt action rifles are the most dangerous rifles made.........for whatever is down range in it's sights.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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thanks for all the comments guys. i went to the gun store today after work and played with the mountain rifle some more. i really like it. i asked the guy that works there if i could have the barrel fluted and he said no. to skinny i guess. they are about 900 bux canadian up here. maybe i should just buy the gun for now and use the loopy off my 7mm mag for deer season and buy a 2nd scope later.

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A mountain rifle is a hunting rifle not a benchrest rifle. It may not print impressive groups if rapid fired for a number of shots off the bench but its not going to walk enough to cause any ill effect in hunting situations.

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I have a 700 mountain rifle in .257 roberts and I'm not pleased with its accuracy at all. It shoots about a 4 inch group at a 100 yards. A far as my other Rem. I'm very pleased, but I don't want any more mtn. rifles.

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Strut,
Would you be interested in trading your 257 Bob? I have a 308 built on a 98 mauser action, bedded in a McMillan HBR stock, Douglas XX air guaged match barrel #8 contour, with a 12oz trigger that I'd be willing to trade.

Rem. 222

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Strut,
At the risk of inflaming some folks on this site, I heard the .257 Roberts doesn't have the best reputation for accuracy in the world. I only have extended personal experience with one Roberts, it never would shoot up to exceptable standards for me.

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Yeah it may be the caliber instead of the gun.

Rem. I don't guess I would be interested in trading, My Dad had a gun shop for several years and the 257 roberts was the last gun he order before he died, it has alot of sentimental value and I will probably keep it around, but thanks for the offer.

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I have only heard good things about the 257 Roberts actually I have heard(let me inflame some people) worst things about the 25-06 ...4&quot; groups sounds like a major problem with the rifle Strut...I am sure that Remington would eventually fix this problem but I would not risk shipping them a gun that has that sentimental value.

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Yeah it might shoot better with a different load than what I've tried, it will probably shoot better than a 4 &quot; group but not much better, so I don't suppose its in the load I'm shooting either but I will try a different one one of these days. The last rifle I sent back into remington they told me it was fixed and I don't think they touched it, If anything I will just get a local smith to check it out and pay out of my own pocket and forget about remington fixing it. But no more than I will be shooting it it will probably be just fine the way it is.

Edited by - strut on 11/04/2002 21:16:15