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looking to find out if any one has ever shot a barrel out or if it is possible. My freinds 300 Wetherby would not shoot last fall i had a gun shop look at it and found the stock was broke (aftermarket Bell&carlson) they (b&c) sent a new stock it was fitted by a gun smith but it will not shoot any better than a 6" group at 75 yards , It has a Leupold 3.5-10 VIII on it all is tight on the mounts it is going to the gun smith this week just wondererd if anyone had a idea it has been shot alot 300 to 400 times

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Sounds more like a fouled barrel, then a shot out barrel.

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My father finally shot out his Ruger #1 barrel.But that was after 30years of shooting one gun for all his hunting. A competition grade shooter can shoot out a barrel faster than most. But their shot out barrel will still produce groups most hunters can't shoot anyway. If you have shot your rifle thousands of rounds and it won't stay under 2"groups with any load then you probally have shot your barrel out.

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You could burn out a 300wby in 400rounds if you made a habit of shooting long shot strings without letting the barrel cool.However with such large groups happening instantly,my first suspect would be the scope.It is possible that the barrel has an extreme amount of copper fouling,but the results should have been gradual,not so suddenly.

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I'm not an expert by any means, but could it be possible that the new stock is causing the problem? Maybe it is putting pressure on the barrel, or torque on some other part? Just a thought.

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the stock was fitted (you can run a dollar bill up to the mounting screw)and this started with me thinking about the gun being fouled so i cleaned it, and the gun shop cleaned it so i do not think it is copper fouled and I've shot the gun (not that i'm a great shot) it will not shoot. time for a new gun?????

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Well, I have shot out a barrel in a 300RUM twice. Factory barrel took around 1000 shots. But it wasn't as dramatic as your issue. When you burn out a barrel, it will be gradual. One barrel I had was a Krieger match barrel, and it shot around .5MOA and then got little worse, and then I had flyers. After borescoping, the throat had heat cracks. So it wasn't burned out really but fouled bad after 4 or 5 shots and the flyers would come. The factory barrel that burned out went from 1.1MOA to 1.5MOA around 800 rounds and then went to 2MOA before I rebarreled it. I kept careful records of the bore by measuring the freebore every 100 rounds or so. It was lengthening.

6" groups sounds like a bedding issue or lug contact, something severe.

Make sure the action screws are 40inch-lbs front and around 20 back. The smith may have fited it but did he glass bed it? Two different things. If its movin in the stock, it will never shoot well.

People won't believe it, including myself, but when people grab onto a 300win or weatherby or RUM, it takes special practice to shoot them. I got a win mag when I was young and shot 3-4" groups at 100 yards. I thought the gun was junk. I sold it. Shooting it I would cut my knuckle and forefinger from the recoil. I was shooting it like it was my trusty 270win. The guy who bought it was extremely happy, it was a genuine 1MOA gun. He showed me his groups and I was amazed. Since then and dozens of rifles later, I know that it was me back then. I didn't know how to handle that gun. I since then have shot all kinds of >30 ft-lb recoil guns and seem to do much better. Before shooting a 338RUM or simular, I need to be in the mood. Calm and light on the coffee that morning.

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Yes....I'm on this band wagon as well.....I'll bet the stock needs to be glass bedded and free floated.....something isn't what it's supposed to be in the bedding.

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Is this a Bell and Carlson medalist or just one of their non pillar bedded stocks?

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Barrels can be shot out. Overbore cartridges like the 300 wthby are prime suspects. Barrels can go "south" in a hurry too. I wouldn't expect it to go after 300-400 rounds unless your friend shoots alot without letting the barrel cool. Hot burners like the wthby usually copper foul like crazy. Try really cleaning the bore with Sweets 7.62 copper solvent. check the barrel channel to make sure that its free floating.

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The worst shot out barrels aren't going to shoot that bad. There are other issues going on here- bad crown, loose action screws, loose scope mount, poorly bedded stock (yes, not all gunsmiths are competent), even the free floated barrel could be the cause if the rifle likes upward pressure at the front of the stock, and last but not least, the shooter.

As far as shot out goes, I have a 60 year old turk mauser that actually has some of the lands worn out of the barrel that will shoot 5 inch groups at 100 yards- with crappy surplus ammo.

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I hate to disagree but I must. I had a 223 that went from a sub 1/2 MOA weapon toover 6 inchduring a prairie dog trip.I shot nearly 1000 rounds through it on that trip alone and it was the rifles third trip to dog town. When I'm in dogs a don't let my guns cool, I'm having too much fun. I've never had a round "cook off" from the heat of the barrel but their has been a time or two that I wouldn't have been surprised if it had. Examination showed that the throat was completely eroded. Anew barrel brought it back to a 1/2 incher. So it can and does happen.

Ps. after that 223 quit me I grabbed my other 223 and tried to melt it down too!:D:D:D:D Prairie dogs are sooooo much fun to watch go splat!

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Come on man, 1000 rounds ain't "shot out in a hurry". Its gradual. Maybe to a point where its a 300 round period where accuracy degrades.

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No you mis-read. that was 1000 on that trip, I don't even know how many rounds went through that tube before that trip.....Maybe 4-5-6000. And oh yeah it went quick[8D] a lot of rounds in a short amount of time.....Good Times!

Last year I went with the intentions of shooting out a barrel. I wanted to build a custom with my 223's action but hated to throw away a "shooter" barrel. I knew that it had a lot of rounds through it and figured I could shoot it out. Trust me it can be done!

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I am not sure, I don't think the question was about a varmit round like the 223, I think it was about a hunting round called 300Weatherby in which I bet 90% of the guns will be lucky to be shot 1000 times in 10 years.

I think its little different situation than going out blasting all day with a tiny varmit round like the 223.

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I totally agree. I wasn't arguing that point at all. I was pointing out that the statement: "even shot out barrels won't shoot that bad" was eroneous. If you look back at my original statement, I think the problem is more likely a copper fouling issue or a non free floated barrel.