12GA From Hell
08-21-2007, 11:31 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
Read a report that H & H is going to
make Paradox rifle/shotguns again.Big bore
mania is catching on.Be able to use
shot and slugs, and with newer alloy
barrels, they'd be hairy like the guns Rob and
I have set up. Ed
make Paradox rifle/shotguns again.Big bore
mania is catching on.Be able to use
shot and slugs, and with newer alloy
barrels, they'd be hairy like the guns Rob and
I have set up. Ed
08-30-2007, 08:31 AM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
I tested in NEF 3' cases, Alliant 2400 with
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it, not reliable.
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA with a heavy barrel like I will put
on it Make a good slug gun.Ed
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it, not reliable.
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA with a heavy barrel like I will put
on it Make a good slug gun.Ed
09-07-2007, 07:26 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
The 12GA From Hell is now on
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Ed
http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Ed
http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611
09-26-2007, 11:46 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
Tested 3.5" plastic cases in NEF, small
primers. My chamber is long for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from 12ga
plastic shotgun cases.Ed[/align]
primers. My chamber is long for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from 12ga
plastic shotgun cases.Ed[/align]
10-06-2007, 05:45 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
Along with testing loads in 3.5" plastic, later tested same loads
in 3" RMC brass cases; and with 600gr slug, same wt 4227 and
7383 surplus powders got same 2100 fps.I got a MEC Super Sizer
coming to size base of plastic and RMC cases. Both are hard to
resize with regular die, but this will save time and allow many
more firings of the cases.Just got 3.5" plastic for dime each,
and this sizer will allow as many firings as the RMC brass.Ed
in 3" RMC brass cases; and with 600gr slug, same wt 4227 and
7383 surplus powders got same 2100 fps.I got a MEC Super Sizer
coming to size base of plastic and RMC cases. Both are hard to
resize with regular die, but this will save time and allow many
more firings of the cases.Just got 3.5" plastic for dime each,
and this sizer will allow as many firings as the RMC brass.Ed
10-12-2007, 11:08 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
A bullet fella contacted me and he will make
750gr jacketed 12ga slugs for buck and a half.
He uses Corbin equipment, and that is a very
great price as others have quoted almost
50% more. Minimum order 500 bullets.He
has to get couple pieces of punch and die
tooling to make them .729" to fit most rifled
barrels, and he will get tooling if we pay
half, which is 300 bucks. I want to find
10 guys to put in 30 each plus order 50 or
a hundred and we have him get tooling ordered.
Contact me so I can see how many want to get
in on the deal.Then after I tally everyone
I will get back to you for the funds for dies
for you to send the them to him..Here is pic
of a sizer we got that does plastic
cases back to factory specs in few seconds
and allows 3 times more reloads. It will
also do the RMC cases I have. No more cases
sticking in dies, or spending 5 min
to get them sized only half assed.ED.
750gr jacketed 12ga slugs for buck and a half.
He uses Corbin equipment, and that is a very
great price as others have quoted almost
50% more. Minimum order 500 bullets.He
has to get couple pieces of punch and die
tooling to make them .729" to fit most rifled
barrels, and he will get tooling if we pay
half, which is 300 bucks. I want to find
10 guys to put in 30 each plus order 50 or
a hundred and we have him get tooling ordered.
Contact me so I can see how many want to get
in on the deal.Then after I tally everyone
I will get back to you for the funds for dies
for you to send the them to him..Here is pic
of a sizer we got that does plastic
cases back to factory specs in few seconds
and allows 3 times more reloads. It will
also do the RMC cases I have. No more cases
sticking in dies, or spending 5 min
to get them sized only half assed.ED.
10-18-2007, 05:00 PM
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RE: 12GA From Hell
Hello,
I am a new member, just discovered this thread and I am fascinated by the concept of the 12Ga. FH.
I have a couple of questions though.
First, I have had several NEFand H&R break tops and while the bull barrel slug guns look impressive, it was designed as just another 12ga shotgun. My concern is thatthe latch mechanism on these breaktops has always seemed a little inadequate for the higher energy rifle rounds they have been offering barrels in. I have had a brand new .45-70 (Buffalo Classic) have such a touchy latch that it seemed to not be fully seating (it openedwith the pressure like on the second trigger pull on a set trigger system) and would even open on firingand required a rework to latch securely.
Do you have a feel for just how much this latch system can take or what it really is resisting as you increase pressures in longer brass shells?
Second, given the caliber, is there any legal implication to being in excess of .50" in terms of needing to register it as a destructive device (Class 3 weapon)?
I realize that shotguns were exempted due to being shot-shell weapons and popular opinion was that as long as they are smoothbore , no problem. But, with the advent of fully rifled slug barrels, where does the BATF(E) classify this sort of thing?
Given that you are "only" lengthening the chamber, it is still technically only a 12ga. "shotgun" albeit one with a long chamber firing solid projectiles at rifle velocities.
But, there have been rumblings about .50BMG cal rifles for some time now and I was wondering. i.e. are we simply ok for now until this is commercialized as a concept?
I am a new member, just discovered this thread and I am fascinated by the concept of the 12Ga. FH.
I have a couple of questions though.
First, I have had several NEFand H&R break tops and while the bull barrel slug guns look impressive, it was designed as just another 12ga shotgun. My concern is thatthe latch mechanism on these breaktops has always seemed a little inadequate for the higher energy rifle rounds they have been offering barrels in. I have had a brand new .45-70 (Buffalo Classic) have such a touchy latch that it seemed to not be fully seating (it openedwith the pressure like on the second trigger pull on a set trigger system) and would even open on firingand required a rework to latch securely.
Do you have a feel for just how much this latch system can take or what it really is resisting as you increase pressures in longer brass shells?
Second, given the caliber, is there any legal implication to being in excess of .50" in terms of needing to register it as a destructive device (Class 3 weapon)?
I realize that shotguns were exempted due to being shot-shell weapons and popular opinion was that as long as they are smoothbore , no problem. But, with the advent of fully rifled slug barrels, where does the BATF(E) classify this sort of thing?
Given that you are "only" lengthening the chamber, it is still technically only a 12ga. "shotgun" albeit one with a long chamber firing solid projectiles at rifle velocities.
But, there have been rumblings about .50BMG cal rifles for some time now and I was wondering. i.e. are we simply ok for now until this is commercialized as a concept?
