3030 improved
 

[blockquote]Have a Savage 24, 3030 top with a 12 Ga.underneath.

The 3030 lacks distance. So thinking about turning the 3030 and to improve 3030.

Talk a gun smith said that he could bore the chamber out to improve 3030. The difference in SPEED would be 2250fps to as much as 2700fps on 150g bullet.

Also the rifle would still be able to shoot 3030 in a pinch.
That is the way you form your brass also.

Has anyone experience 3030 improved & would you do this???
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RE: 3030 improved
 

Don't know if I'd do it...and don't have experience with the 3030 improved. But I believe that if you can fire a 3030 in a 3030imp. chamber....then what you have afterwards is a fireformed 3030improved.

RE: 3030 improved
 

Its a 30-30. Do whatever you want and you still got a 30-30. As is, its good till 200 yds on any deer around and when you consider that you are shooting froman iron sighted gun it don't make much sense. Spend the money on something more worthwhile. Take care.

RE: 3030 improved
 

You might want to do a little ammo research first. I think Hornady is or will be making an extended range 30-30 load that uses a conical shaped plastic tipped bullet for better aerodynamics. A 30-30 improved doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

RE: 3030 improved
 

As long as you handload, and can take advantage of the extra powder space go for it. Good luck.

RE: 3030 improved
 

Heck, none of the "improved" cartridges make any sense to me. I mean if I wanted or needed more power and velocity than "X" cartridge offered then I would simply purchase the next larger cartridge instead.

I agree with nyorange in that the regular 30-30 is plenty enough gun for deer to about 200 yards. With iron sights on this gun what exactly would be the point? Can you shoot these iron sights well enough to take advantage of the extra couple hundred FPS? Which at 200 yards the trajectory differance would only be about 2 or 3 inches.

RE: 3030 improved
 

My first concern is, how long will a Savage 24 last shooting the higher recoiling imp cartridges in it???? Do you realize that after the rechamber, regular 30/30's will have quite a bit velocity LOSS when fired in the imp chamber???? Another thing, once you boost the velicity that much, where will this thing shoot in relation to the sights that were designed for reg 30/30 velocities????

Personally, i'd not do it unless you understand all the above and can live with it too...

Like was said, the std 30/30 is already a decent 200 yard cartridge, and with the Federal 170 grain Nosler load, you have an excelent black bear/deer sized game cartridge!

Drilling Man

RE: 3030 improved
 

I have to agree with the others, I see no reason to change what is already a good 200 yard chambering.

I reload for my Marlin 336 30-30 using 150gr Win round nose bullets and 35gr of IMR3031. That load gives me a 1.75" 10 shot group at 100 yards any time Ishoot it. It clocks right at 2500fps and I dropped a nice bodyed young buck this year with it at 160 yards. My gun only has a 20" barrel, with a longer barrel it should be a little faster. I'm looking forward to Hornady's releasing the new pointed bullet mentioned earlier which looks like it could extend the effective range of this old cartridge by up to 100 yards or more.

If you reload for your gun you would not be limited to the standard 30-30 fare. If this is the case you could use whatever pointed/boat tail design bullet you want to achieve the desired results using the chamber you already have. If you don't reload, I would put theupgrade money into reloading gear instead.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing.

RE: 3030 improved
 

As its a single shot rifle there is no point to using regular 30-30 bullets you could develope a beautiful load using a 130-150 gr. pointed bullet that would bedeadly on deerout to 200 and have a good trajectory too.

RE: 3030 improved
 

Keep in mind even though it's a "single shot", it's still a 30-30 and most of the pointed bullets were designed to work at "higher" velocity than the 30-30 will drive them "especially" at longer distances.

You MUST use a bullet designed to work in the velocity range you are pushing it out of your gun! (no matter what the gun/cartridge or caliber is) "If" you don't, is's the very thing that causes wounded animials to run off to die later!

Drilling Man

RE: 3030 improved
 

Don't do it. All the Ackley Improved calibers need to have the headspace set so the action won't close on the "go" guage, but will close with a little effort on a virgin brass case. Your gun already has the headspace set to close on the "go" guage, as it should - but being a break action you can't set the barrel back a thread to shorten the headspace. Reaming it to an improved will cause incipient case head separations after only a reload or two, rendering the gun virtually worthless.

RE: 3030 improved
 

bowedark,

I'd have to agree with the other post, don't think it's worth it. I hand load, but have used two factory loads that perform well out of my Marlin 336, they are made by Federal and Winchester, the 125 grn hollow points, you might want to try them. I've taken a couple of whitetails over 100 yds with them with great results and I've taken250 + lbwild hogs within 20 yards and they perform flawlessly.

dog1

RE: 3030 improved
 

ActuallyI have had this rifle& scopefor more then 10 years.

I've worked on loads from 110G to a 165G using nozler ballistic tips and other bullet manufacturesand use factories loaded Remington 55g the little bullet with the plastic sabo. Seenimprovementwithpointed tipbullets.

I do have another 30 30 & guns several other calibers.

Mymy thoughts were of just trying to improve it some?

RE: 3030 improved
 

I'm not sure i understand what your saying?

On factory loads in the imp chamber, they will be very low pressure because of the bigger chamber/smaller case, and there won't be any problems with "first time" fireings. (read new ammo)

As for reloading, you just reload them as you SHOULD, and set the head space on the "new" shoulder, so still no problem!

I've done this many times in break open actions and it works perfectly...

Drilling Man

RE: 3030 improved
 

Looky here

Click on rifle cartridges, then 30-30, then compare the LEVERevolution cartridge to the 150 and 170 grain round and flat nosed loads. These are specially made to get better performance out of a 30-30 levergun, the ballistics are very impressive for a 30-30.