300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
12-25-2005, 08:19 AM
#11
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
Quote: "Why anyone would want a mag in a feather weight rifle is beyond me".
Black elk,in answer toyour question, I hunted elk in the Scapegoat Wilderness of Montana last Fall. It is extremely rugged country. You are either walking up or walking down, usually up! I carried my standard weight Win. Model 70 chambered in 30/06. Weight with the scope is near nine lbs. While this is a fine rifle for most hunting situations, it was just too heavy to carry all day up and down the mountains. I have no issue with the 30/06 as an elk caliber. In fact, I took a nice bull on the seventh day of the hunt at over 200 yds with it.
I'm hooked on elk hunting and plan on going back in 07. One of the lessons I learnedin the mountainsis that every ounce that you carrycounts a lot. I'm considering buyinga Kimber 8400 Montana rifle for my next hunt. I could get the Kimber 84 chambered in .308 but it seems a little redundant since I already own the ballistically similar and slightly superior 30/06.
Since I hunt in WNY with a 12 ga.rifled slug gun and accept the recoil,then using a .300 WSM in a lightweight rifle that will be carried a lot while in the mountainsand shot a little (at least I hope I get opportunity to shoot it) makes sense to me.
Black elk,in answer toyour question, I hunted elk in the Scapegoat Wilderness of Montana last Fall. It is extremely rugged country. You are either walking up or walking down, usually up! I carried my standard weight Win. Model 70 chambered in 30/06. Weight with the scope is near nine lbs. While this is a fine rifle for most hunting situations, it was just too heavy to carry all day up and down the mountains. I have no issue with the 30/06 as an elk caliber. In fact, I took a nice bull on the seventh day of the hunt at over 200 yds with it.
I'm hooked on elk hunting and plan on going back in 07. One of the lessons I learnedin the mountainsis that every ounce that you carrycounts a lot. I'm considering buyinga Kimber 8400 Montana rifle for my next hunt. I could get the Kimber 84 chambered in .308 but it seems a little redundant since I already own the ballistically similar and slightly superior 30/06.
Since I hunt in WNY with a 12 ga.rifled slug gun and accept the recoil,then using a .300 WSM in a lightweight rifle that will be carried a lot while in the mountainsand shot a little (at least I hope I get opportunity to shoot it) makes sense to me.
12-26-2005, 09:50 AM
#12
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 34
RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
RE: Recoil...
You have two senarios you will have to deal with. One is bench rest style site-in and perhaps reload developement. The other is actual hunting in the field.
In the early 80's I had a Rem Mod 700 LH rebarreled to 300 Wby Mag, it has a 27.5" bbl on it and weighs 11.5 lbs.Doing the reload developement from the benchrest was a bit brutal but survivable.
Whereas, my father has a Mk V in 300 WBY Mag, it is absolutely wicked to shoot from the bench. It jumps up off the sand bags and then flies backwards. To say it is a hand full is an understatement, vey comparable to my brother's 300 RUM.
In the field under hunting conditions -the game changes. All 3 are veryreasonable to shoot. I find pre-season cross canyon practice shots at boudlers alot of fun. You will find that you can place your shots at amazing distances (500+ yds) and recieve a very authoritive report when compared to a 7mm or 270 or even the old faithful 30-06. It's fun!
I feel this style of pre-season shooting to be very important with the big magnums. Basically you are undoing all of the punishment inflicted during the relaoding and initial site-in sessions. This is a good way to develope the confidence needed to be properly prepared to take a long shot during a hunting trip at a big ol' mossy rack.
As far as for weight goes... I am old and overweight, but I still lug that11.5 lbmagnum up the hill every year. I have up graded my shoulder sling to one that allows me to carry it accross my front. It has made a perfound difference, and not having to wressle with the a conventional sling is very nice. The only minus is that you have to be very mindful of muzzle control so you do not sweep your partners. With a bit a disipline, it is easy to avoid sweeping your partners.
Bottom line, buy the 300 Mag you like, and fear not!
Don ><>
Everett, WA
You have two senarios you will have to deal with. One is bench rest style site-in and perhaps reload developement. The other is actual hunting in the field.
In the early 80's I had a Rem Mod 700 LH rebarreled to 300 Wby Mag, it has a 27.5" bbl on it and weighs 11.5 lbs.Doing the reload developement from the benchrest was a bit brutal but survivable.
Whereas, my father has a Mk V in 300 WBY Mag, it is absolutely wicked to shoot from the bench. It jumps up off the sand bags and then flies backwards. To say it is a hand full is an understatement, vey comparable to my brother's 300 RUM.
In the field under hunting conditions -the game changes. All 3 are veryreasonable to shoot. I find pre-season cross canyon practice shots at boudlers alot of fun. You will find that you can place your shots at amazing distances (500+ yds) and recieve a very authoritive report when compared to a 7mm or 270 or even the old faithful 30-06. It's fun!
I feel this style of pre-season shooting to be very important with the big magnums. Basically you are undoing all of the punishment inflicted during the relaoding and initial site-in sessions. This is a good way to develope the confidence needed to be properly prepared to take a long shot during a hunting trip at a big ol' mossy rack.
As far as for weight goes... I am old and overweight, but I still lug that11.5 lbmagnum up the hill every year. I have up graded my shoulder sling to one that allows me to carry it accross my front. It has made a perfound difference, and not having to wressle with the a conventional sling is very nice. The only minus is that you have to be very mindful of muzzle control so you do not sweep your partners. With a bit a disipline, it is easy to avoid sweeping your partners.
Bottom line, buy the 300 Mag you like, and fear not!
Don ><>
Everett, WA
12-26-2005, 10:13 AM
#13
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
Dsquared says it all. Once you getg a gun sighted in, the bench punishment goes away. You are basically using the gun to carry and kill. I like the 300 mags. If recoil really is that big of an issue, Id say practice. Connie Barnes weighs about 120 and shoots a 338. Cmon guys.
12-27-2005, 07:05 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
What Jamesb said speeks volume , I dont like hard recoiling guns , but could shoot a 300 winmag all day . A 12 gauge 3" load does not bother me that much either , Im fine for a couple boxes , but 12 gauge 3 1/2 loads are not for me , they are punishing , equal to a 416 mag . Just putting it in perspective , a 3oo winmag has less than 1/2 the kick of a 3" 12 gauge gun , I seriously cant tell the diferance between it and a 30 06 .
12-27-2005, 07:40 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
I second the kick factor between the 300's and a 12 guage. 3.5" slugs are brutal. If you can shoot the 3"er Turkey Loadsthen you will be fine with the 300.
Tom
Tom
12-27-2005, 08:13 AM
#16
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
How many of us shoot 25 high recoil rifle loads in a very short period of time, let's say 10 minutes?
Shotgunning is an interesting game. I found that during my recreational trap shooting the 3 dram 1 1/8th oz loads did a very good job at developing a flinch. Therefore, I stick exclusively to 1 oz, 2 3/4 dram loads at 1200 fps.
Don
Shotgunning is an interesting game. I found that during my recreational trap shooting the 3 dram 1 1/8th oz loads did a very good job at developing a flinch. Therefore, I stick exclusively to 1 oz, 2 3/4 dram loads at 1200 fps.
Don
01-26-2006, 07:50 PM
#17
Join Date: Jan 2006
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RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
I HAVE AN BROWNING BAR II 300 WSM AUTO. I HEARD THAT HIS ROUND SHOOTS GREAT IN A BOLT ACTION BUT NOT IN A AUTO. I WAS WONDERING IF ANY ONE CAN HELP ME WITH THIS AND TELL ME WHAT CALIBER WOULD BE BETTER A 300 WIN MAG, 30-06, 7MM MAG
01-28-2006, 01:33 AM
#18
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6
RE: 300wsm vs 300 win mag vs 300 wby mag?
I have a Tikka T3 lite30-06 with a muzzlebrake. I dont know what the kick is measured atbut it is basically nothing compared to other 30 cals. It is loud as hell granted but there is about a 40% reduction in recoil with the muzzlebrake. This makes this 6lb 6 oz rifle very easy to carry and not jaw jarring to shoot. Try a muzzlebrake. I am going to put another on my 300 winnie this spring.
Just a thought...
Just a thought...
