August American Rifleman magizane Artical
 

In the August American Rifleman magizane page 52 theres a artical,
Where Big companys are wanting to fire there employees.
For having guns in there locked cars and trucks while on the,
Company property.

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050809-115750-9703r.htm

NRA guns for rights violators By Gene Mueller
August 10, 2005
Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, says he will spare no expense or effort to expose energy giant ConocoPhillips for its anti-Second Amendment stance.
Look for billboard advertising soon that says as much. An NRA-sponsored national boycott campaign against ConocoPhillips also will begin.
The sparks flew after LaPierre spoke at a rally in Idabel, Okla., to support employees fired by the Weyerhaeuser Co. because they kept legally owned firearms stored in their locked vehicles in a company parking lot that was publicly accessible. Since the firings, the Oklahoma Legislature has passed a bill to prevent such terminations, but ConocoPhillips filed a federal lawsuit to block the protective measure.

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NRA Launches National Boycott
Against ConocoPhillips

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Thanks for the posting.

I won't be buying any gas from these guys.

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Maybe this explains why the Conoco gas station has been $ .10 more than the high priced Exxon and Shell stations in my town the last 3 weeks - they've got to pay the lawyers!

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These people who think they have a right to restrict what I have in my vehicle in a parking lot are absolutely nuts. It is bad enough that so many companies and businesses post "No gun" signs on their doors, trying to prevent citizens with concealed carry permits from exercising their rights. I work in a building where the owner of the building (housing numerous businesses) has such a sign posted. Such people apparently don't realize how they are insulting one of the most honest and trustworthy portions of the population while obviously having NO impact on anyone intent on violating their policy. I have tried to communicate the irrationality of such postings to the owner of the building, sending him well-written material on the issue, all to no avail.

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Wow, that seems out of line for Conoco-Phillips, two companies long rooted in northern Oklahoma (Bartlesville and Ponca city, respectively), to make enemies with the locals for doing what folks in N. OK do (hunt and shoot things).

Oh well, every minority group in the country is 100% convined that they are hated and discrimiated against, simply because they are a minority.

I'm a white guy, but if being a gun owner means I'm a minority and can bitch like the rest of 'em, why not?

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For a moment look at it from the company's perspective. They are probably responding to a lawyer's advice that they are vulnerable to a negligence suite or a charge of not providing a safe workplace in the event an employee goes off the deep end, goes to their truck to retrieve their rifle, and shoots and kills several people in the building. I'm not saying it is fair. I'm not saying that I like it. And I agree that the rule is not going to be very effective in preventing the occurence of the risk the policy is directed at -- any more than gun laws are generally effective at detering criminals from using guns. If you have gone off the deep end, you will just bring your rifle to work and break the rule. Chances of detecting one lone exception to the rule is very low.

Anyway,my guess is you have the lawyers to thank for this one. "If you DON'T make this a policy and enforce it strictly, WHEN this happens you will be liable for HUGE damages when the family of a murdered employee sues you for negligence and operating an unsafe workplace!!!"

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What is happening to this country!!!!!!!

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It is thier property, they can say what you can have on it or not. If it is stated in your employee handbook that you can't have a fire arm on the property then you can't do it. It is that simple. You are not allowed to have one on government property at all. It is the same thing as having a concealed carry permit but not being able to carry in certain places.

With as many incidents as we have with people going postal and going into the work place or schools armed I can't say that I blame them. Do I agree with them, no, but it is thier right. If you don't like the policy don't work there. I can't think of a place I have worked at that allowed firearms on the property. We still did it, especially if you hunt. You just don't get them out and wave them around in the parking lot after work.

I would like to know exactly what happened in that case before I pass judgement on it. There may be more to it. What it boils down to though is if they were told they could not have firearms on the property and did it any way then they were fired legally. Is what I want to know is how the company knew? Did they have the weapons out in plain sight, or did they conduct some sort of search that may not have been legal.

Paul

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The parking lot in the Oklahoma case is open to the public. It is not just for company employees. I am waiting for some concealed carry permit holder (or his estate) to file suit against one of these idiotic companies or building owners after some nut commits mayhem and the permit holder is killed or injured because he was deniedhis government authorizedmeans to defend himself on their premises. Sure makes a lot more sense than suing over being burned by hot coffee!

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That would be a bit different then I guess. I'm not a lawyer so I couldn't say for sure. It all depends on what they signed before they got hired. If you agreed to it you would probably be screwed I guess. Also there are plenty of public places where you cannot carry a weapon even if you have a permit. Most of them as a matter fact, all they have to do is post it. So I don't think you would have much of a case if it went to court. Just because you have a permit it doesn't make it legal to take it anywhere you want. That is why most don't bother with it. I thought about getting one in MI and the local gun store said don't waste my time or money. There are very few places you can actually have them so it just becomes a pain in the butt and really doesn't do you any good. I don't think this is the same thing as having a hunting weapon in your vehicle though.

Actually if you read the gun laws for MI it states you cannot drive around with a handgun in your vehicle, even if it is in a locked gun case in the trunk. This applies to a pellet gun as well. In order to have a handgun in your vehicle you need to have a permit or be on the way to or from a shooting facility or gunsmith. I doubt it is a law they enforce too strictly. It's ok for a rifle though from what I can tell.

I was a security guard for a glass factory once that did not allow tabaco on the property, not just in the plant. I saw them fire a guy for having a smoke in his car during a break. I thought that was a bit extreme.They told me to tell the trucks when they came in the tabaco policy as well. I don't see how you can tell a truck driver what they can and can't have in thier truck as long as it is legal. I don't think it is the same thing as a car, it's more like a home in some cases. Didn't make much sense to me.

Paul

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Fortunately, gun laws in Kentucky are not quite as restrictive as they apparently are in Michigan. Here, businesses may post a "no guns" sign, but even if they find out you are carrying, all they can do is ask you to leave. There is no legal penalty.
Don't continue to accept your restrictions up there so meekly. The country is slowly waking up to the reality that people have a right to defend themselves, and have the means to do so. Just look at the expansion of the number of states that allow concealed carry and now the movement to pass the so-called "Castle laws" which clarify the rights of a person to defend themselves and their home.

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this happend to a guy who worked at our company in La. he was employed for 30+ years about 2 years away from retireing. they implement the no gun law thursday, the big wigs came down monday, walked past his truck saw the but of the shotty in the back seat. called him to the office and fired him. Its total BULL**** and the is now sueing the company.

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Where my wife works, you can be fired on the spot if you have a gun OR ANY AMMO in your car in their parking lot. It is their property however so they set the rules.

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Such company policies are vastly over-reaching. A person's automobile is generally considered their personal abode. It even requires a search warrant for the police to search your vehicle without some obviously visible compelling reason. Instead of just meekly accepting such policies, you should be lobbying your state legislature to provide an explicit prohibition of such policies or even better, sue the pants off the idiotic, politically correct jerks who try to enforce such a policy.

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Just FYI....Wal-Mart general office complex in Bentonville, AR has the same no firearms on company property rule. Note even allowed in your own car in their parking lots.

I don't work for them anymore, and I didn't really like the rule when I did. Made it awfully inconvenient if you were planning to go out after work for some hunting or shooting.

However, like others have said...it is their property and they should have some say so as to whats allowed on their property or not.

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Again, as noted above, such companies really do NOT have a right to know what you have in your vehicle. Hopefully the incident in Oklahoma will increase awareness of such outrageous restrictions that some companies try to impose and result in some legislative action across the country to reduce such impositions on personal freedom. Get behind the NRA and start working for such changes. The Oklahoma legislature has already acted, but the enforcement of the new law prohibiting such company restrictions has been delayed by a court injunction temporarily.

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Doc, they may not have the right, but they can sure make you spend alot
of cash to prove it. Any lawyer will encourge you to prove it! He is going
to make Mucho money on your behalf.;)

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That is why we need to put pressure on our legislatures to stop such actions, as they have recently done in Oklahoma. Your Florida legislature has been on the forefront of some of these issues, such as Concealed Carry and the "Castle Law." Such actions prove that we can make our voices heard and positive results can occur.

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Until the BS stops it makes good sense to not allow your guns to be visible in your auto in the car and not to tell others you have them. Further demand that they get a search warrant to search your car.....It's your right!!! They need to show reasonable evidence to search your car. If you give it to them.....too bad.

Where I worked once such a policy was in force but several of us managers shot trap on Monday nights after work and some drove 30 miles to work. We all had our trap guns in our cars in hard cases and not visible. The HR manager asked if I had a gun in my car and I simply informed her that she needed a search warrant to find out. None was ever achieved.

Some dumb asses continued to come to work with their hunting guns in full display in the rear window of their pickup. Sorry folks....that's asking for a confrontation.....and they lost!!!

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This hereposter makes it look likecompanies arefiringpeople who hunt and/or own a gun. As much as I love the NRA, that's not quite true. What the question being debated really is, is "do companies have a legalright to prohibit firearms from being brought onto company property??"

I suspect that the final answer will be that they do indeed have such a right, since you do too! Every property owner has a right to prohibit firearms from being brought onto his or her property.

I personally see nothing wrong with letting your employees keep unloaded guns in the trunks of their vehicles when at work, (when I was in the Army, for over 30 years, I usually had one or more guns around!!) but some employers have policies against this practice! IF you display your guns in plain sight in an unoccupied vehicle, you are inviting some S.O.B. to steal same!!

The good ol' NRA is not adverse to using a little spin (read "propaganda") once in a while, just like the anti-gun folks do!

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Paul, this is simply an untrue statement. As a retired army person, I was allowed to keep my privately owned firearms in my quarters....all you had to do was register them with the provost marshall. Most military installations have rod and gun clubs, skeet and trap ranges and allow hunting.

Same is true on installations that allow civilians to hunt on government property.
My son is a civilian fireman and uses the Ft Riley POW range all the time and hunts phesants there. Regards, Rick.

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Absolutely 100% true-there were literally huindreds of hunters, military & civilian alike, at Fort Hood during deer season when I was in the 1st CAV.And many now hunt here at Letterkenny Army Depot (Chambersburg, PA). Mostly local civilians.

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Ioften wonder how thing shave changed so much in last few years. Back when i was in high school in mid and late 80's there was a bunch of us that brought our guns with us to school so we could hunt afterwards. Was nothing to see 6 or 8 people there with guns in vehicles. I would imagine we'd probably do major time for that now...

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>>I personally see nothing wrong with letting your employees keep unloaded guns in the trunks of their vehicles when at work, (when I was in the Army, for over 30 years, I usually had one or more guns around!!) but some employers have policies against this practice!<<

This attitude of meekly accepting such an outrageous intrusion on your personal freedom is what allows such policies to exist. You have a right to have legal items in your personal vehicle (and should have the right to have them on your person). For goodness sake, be a man and start taking a stand with your legislators and business leaders for your rights. Society and businesses have NOTHING to fear from honest people. Stop letting them bully you.

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"You have a right to have legal items in your personal vehicle (and should have the right to have them on your person)."

I assume that this is a legal opinion based on statute or precedence, that you have observed over the years as a practicing attorney at law? If so, you will have to admit that this can vary depending on state or territory and local laws......

We all know what the Constitution says.... we also all know that there are "gun control laws" in a number of states that have withstood the challenge of constitutionality, and are still being enforced. Just try carrying a firearm in New York City without benefit of a local permit!

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However I do believe you have the right to privacy and that you can insist on a search warrant to search your car and this requires some sort of evidence or probablr cause.

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I had to get it signed by the ships captain and kept in the ships magazine.