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So are you really saying that someone should just sight thier rifle in at 50 yards and consider it good to go? That sounds pretty foolish and unethical to me.

Nope...no one ever said that...

BTW.....I'ts not a good practice to put words in other peoples mouth.

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Lets say you sight your rifle in at 50 yards with the intention of it being dead on at 100 yards. Then for some odd reason you decide to actually shoot it at 100 yards to see what happens. Now you find out it is consistantly hitting off the mark. It groups well but the the windage and elevation is off. Are you honestly telling me you would not adjust it to impact where you actually intend it to go at that yargage? We are assuming a calm day, no cross wind to effect the windage.

Obviously you are still missing the point Paul. This 50 yd sight in is conducted AFTER you have already established the known elevation required to hit flat on at 100yds.
You also don't seem to understand that if you are sighted dead on at 50 yds in your perfect "no cross wind in the effect" world that you would not need to adjust windage as there would be none! Unless of course you expect the bullet to travel 50yds then make a directional turn in mid air.

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Especially when the suggestions are the opposite of what I was taught by professional target shooters, accomplished hunters and the military.

Let me guess..none of which are proffesional slug gun shooters or manufacturers, or have spent hours testing modern slug gun performance.

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And if this guy is shooting from a 120 lb rest that soaks up the recoil then he is no where near simulating how the gun will be shot in the field,

Of course not...what would make you think it would? I think you must have wrote 5 paragraphs about random stuff that you "think" people said.

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However what it boils down to is I think you are wrong and you think I am wrong. I don't believe that will ever change, at least on this subject. Isn't the internet great:D.

That is absolutely correct, I appreciate the fact that you take these posts for what they are educational conversations.

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"The technique required to reproducibly shoot tight slug groupings is unlike that required to be a proficient with a rifle," stated Randy Fritz as he proceeded to drive his point home with a demonstration. Shooting Lightfield Commander 3" slugs through one of his custom Tar-Hunt slug guns Randy proceeded to coax five slugs in a row through the same hole at 50 yards. He then turned the bench over to a self-proclaimed 'good shot' who fired his best five shots but could only muster a 4 inch grouping at the same 50 yard target.

What was the difference? Both shooters were using the exact same gun, the exact same lot of Lightfield sabot slugs and were firing under the same conditions, but one was driving nails and the other couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. The difference was in their shooting technique. A person can purchase the most expensive state-of-the-art slug gun and fire the best saboted slugs money can buy, but if that person doesn't know and hasn't practiced proper slug gun shooting technique all the dollars invested will have been for naught."

I would say the difference is the second guy just can't shoot. He either is afriad of the recoil, had poor trigger control or doesn't line up to the scope consistantly each time. My guess would be if you handed him a 270 or 30-06 you would get the same outcome. 50 yards off a bench is a pretty simple shot with most any gun that shoots well. When someone brags about great groups off a bench at 50 yards I'm not that impressed, especially if the intended range is twice that.

The original passage had a previous paragraph that include the fact that it was one of Randys friends who is an accomplished benchrest shooter. So once again you are making false assumptions, then writing extensively based on those false assumptions. Makes for good reading, but short on facts.

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"Let's say you have zeroed your gun in this manner at 100 yards, adjusting into your scope setting this muzzle jump as well as windage error. While in the field you shoot at a deer at 100 yards while holding onto the forend of your gun's stock. Your shot hits low or, most likely, misses completely. Most would tend to blame the gun or the ammunition, when in reality methodology is the real culprit. Think about it! Learn to properly set up your equipment and you can be confident in your shot when the time comes."

I completely agree with that last statement.

Alright so you already agreed. You then go on another mutiparagraph diatribe about random matters. No need you already agreed!

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Dispite that fact I felt it was still possible that reasoning and reality would prevail. It now appears that belief was wrong. This post will now in fact fall away into name calling and useless rhetoric as usual when all the fact have been displayed and thesome poster does not like the outcome.

Unfortunately you have not presented anything I consider reality yet.

Thanks for helping to make my point once again!

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""Slugs are so slow that they're still traveling down the barrel as the gun recoils upward and to the left," he explains, due to the torque of the heavy projectile as it spins out of the barrel's rifling. "If you sight the gun in at the bench without holding the fore-end, you'll actually sight it in 5 to 6 inches high and to the left of where it will shoot when you hold the fore-end normally in the field."

That right there is a bunch of crap in my opinion, especially with the barrel that is on my gun. For one the bullet does not have enough resistance to the barrel to make it torque.

LOL....I can't wait to hear you explain how the sabot starts spinning in the barrel, or how the projectile miraculously gains its spin before it leaves the gun.

PS..remember its the weekend!