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Ok a few days ago i was at gander mtn and i seen this nice 338haro(i belive that was the name) and i was just wondering if any body has this rifle and how accurate it is out of the box? thanks for any advice

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or does any body have any info on this brand of rifles??

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I haven't heard of a 338haro, But if you mean a HOWA bolt action in 338 win mag. Then I know the gun, Howa's are now importedby Legacy Sports International andare made in Japan at the Howa plant, that same plant, also makes the Weatherby Vanguard bolt action rifle's. The guns are well made and a good value.

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hmmm just did a google search nothing turned up for the word haro, i bet he means howa....... those guys at gander mountain dont always have the best hand writing when they make up the tags. lol

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Know nothinh about the barnd but as far as the .338 goes I love my Ruger and if you are hunting bigger game(elk and moose)...it is the gun for you. If you reload you can also reload some nice loads that would work for deer!

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If it is a HOWA you should be happy if you buy it,some of the lower end HOWAS have barrel channeling problem from the stocks,but this can be fixed very easy with some sand papper.

As for the .338 win mag IMHO is one of the greatest rounds ever made.It is versitile from Teaxs To Alaska to Africa,to Russia.It can Handle game from small antelope to the Biggest Bears.
BBJ

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ok sorry if i cause any confusion i was just not sure that it was the correct name,if you are hunting bigger game(elk and moose)...it is the gun for you. If you reload you can also reload some nice loads that would work for deer!, well considering the fact that i am only 15 i kinda changed my mind on what gun i want from the 7 mag to the 338 i will be using it for deer -big bears, and the reason i wanted the 338:D u wanted a gun i could grow into as an adult and so that it could be used in alaska for big bears! And another reason since i am coming up with the money for this gun i want my money to be "well used" and a gun that i will probally have doubts with.(And if the recoil is to high i will get me an after recoil pad;)) But i hope i made a right decision to the game i chosen to hunt!:)

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I have the opposite opioion from bbj. I think the 338 is a caliber with no practicle use. It does not shoot as fast and flat as the 300 Mag and doesn'n hit as hard as the 375 H&H. I had a couple of them and never found a use for them. However I had both bigger and smaller calibers as well. Some folks seem to like them, I would skip over it for the 375 for the big stuff and a 300 WSM for anything smaller. That is if I thought I needed a magnum caliber at all.;)

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Other carts available as well, including the.300 Rem Ultra Mag. and the .30-378 WBY.

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The 338 is an excellent round, but if you are not reloading your own ammo, you may want to look at cartridge prices before you select as well. The 338 is not a really expensive cartridge to buy, but the 30-378 Weatherby is around $80.00 for a box of 20!!:)

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James B,
The 338 win dose not shot as fast as the 300 Win[:-]:eek:[:-].Well lets see.
Published FPS from Federal
180 BT 300 win mag @ muzzle 2970
180 bt 338 win @ muzzle 3120
300WM 200 TBBC@ muzzle 2700 fps Ft/lbs 3238
338WM 210 Nosler @ muzzle 2830 Ft/lbs 3735
As for trajectory 200 yds sight in
200 gr 300 WM @ 400 yds -26
210gr 338 WM @ 400 Yds -23

I know I know they are close but the .338 clearly outshines the 300 just due the use of heavier bullets.
I mean come on a 250 gr Nosler your not goning to be shootin 500 yds with.But when the chips are down the 250 gr nosler is a great 300 yds bullet.
This factory loading and if you hand load you can get more out of both.
The 338 dose not hit as hard as the 375 H&H but the 375 still is not as fast or flat.
A 250 gr bullet from both hit @ 3958 for the H&H
and 3929 for the .338 win. still awful close.
Ok enough of my ramblings.
BBJ

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True but the 308 caliber bullet of that weight has a much higher SD and BC. You are comparing a heavy weight for calber bullet to a light weight for caliber bullet. Its fine by me that the 338 has its supporters, I far prefer the 375 for game thats big and mean. I also prefer a lighter faster round for long range or game smaller than moose and bears. Its not like I never used the 338 because I have. Just not my idea of of a caliber suited for either deer size or grizzly size game. Just as many think that the 270 and 7mm-08 are to light for elk, its a matter of expierence and preference I have proved my oppinions to myself and in the end, thats what matters.:DThe 338 is fine for elk but has not proved to me that it will outperform the 300 for that purpose. The elk I have shot with the 270 size rounds have gone down like a bag of rocks so I never could see the need for more blast and recoil than I needed.

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True I was slanted some on that comparison.I'm not upset by all means.
I think the 300 and the .338 all have a nich in the hunting realm.I like the 300 Win but prefer the Super 300's to it.I like the good o'le 375 H&H put realy it is quite a bit gun for 90 lb pronghorns(not that I wouldn't like to use it on one).But for me the .338 is a happy medium between the 300 and the.375.
True I have not had any experiance shooting Kodiak's or big Grizz,but I know the .338 is more than capeble of taking one.But I have a another gun for them when I get the chance(416 Rem Mag 400 gr TBBC).So I realy don't have a need for the .375 H&Heven though it is proven game stopper.
So thats my reasoning for the .338 it's a happy medium,between a good hunting rifle and a true blue dangerous game rifle.
BBJ

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ok now i'm kinda having doubts on the caliber i chose. I have been thinking :eek: that the 338 is kinda big for the game i hunt and the 7mag to me fits in to the game i hunt(elk, moose,black bear and,mostly muledeer) shots would be with in (25-350yrds) and i have been thinking and thinking and thinking and now i'm extremly confused on wich to choose[&:], i would like your opinion plz, and another reason y i chose the 7mag was b/c in the remingtion model 710 the gun i belive is $329 (around taht area) and the 338 in a synthetic stock, stainless steelbarrel howa is $429, And they both have Scopes 3x9 -40 or something like that, so i kinda want your opinion on which to choose (i already chose i just want to know what your opinion is and i will c if mine is the same;))

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and Another reason is that my best hunting partner in the world that i have been hunting since i was 6 years old , is my dad he says that for being 15yrs old the 338 is to much gun for me and the 7mag for my age is a good dependable gun that fits me perfect(my wieght age etc...), and is "almost" identicle to a 300wm when it comes to ballistics. And beign that i do take long shots at times and have been sucesfull (with a 30-30 @ 200yrds) i don't know what to chose?????? i kinda want your opinion on which to choose (i already chose i just want to know what your opinion is and i will c if mine is the same;))

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Given the choice between the 7MM Mag and the 338, I would take the 7 Mag. I would not consider it for grizzly hunting or Polar bears but since the 270 has taken those animals, I quess the 7 Mag would to. I like the 280 better than the 7 Mag but the final choice will have to be yours. I never noticed a lot more recoil from the 338 than I did with the 7 Mag. I went through five seven Mags trying to like them. Never happened. though.

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Another vote for 7mm Mag.

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I've got an old Sako (AV) in 338 - don't shoot it much. It's a good round but it can beat you up at the range.

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I hate saying this as I am a remington patron....... Also you mentioned you would like a gun that will last you into your adult years. I would deffiantely choose that Howa before buying a remington 710. Even though the Howa's are made over seas they are well built and overall excellent rifles a buddy of mine has one of there stainless sporter rifles with the laminate thumbole stock in 30-06, the first time he shot it it grouped less then a inch at 100 yards with 150 grain winchester power point ammo, very impressive. Another friend of mine has a remington 710 in 270 its accuracy was not very impressive at all no matter what he fed it the best he could group with it was 2 inches at 100 yards, My friend thinking it was him and not the rifle he asked me to shoot it and the best I could do with it was a 1.5 inch at 100 yards.

IMO the 710 is plain and simply a rifle for someone who shoots their rifle twice a year, the weekend before deer season and at the deer during season. also IMO i think you would be much better off with a 7mm rem mag over the 338 win mag because 1 ammo is cheaper 2 its plenty of gun and then some for the game you listed.

I personally have not used anything larger then a 30-06 for those same game animals you listed and have had just as good of experience with my 308 on the same also.

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It seems the 7mm is the way to go for you but whatever you DO NOT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED $$ ON THE 710. They are a very cheaply made piece. Everybody chambers the 7mm and bet you can get one from Howa if that is the piece you like..

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Hunter,
At 15 years old if a .338 is what you want then get it,but if you are looking at a good all-around cartrige you cannot go wrong with the 7 mag.
When I was your age I shot a 30-06 and when I was 18 I bought my first of many .338's.I been all over the spectrum for hunting guns for deer and elk.
If you are looking for a happy medium between the two,take a quick look at the 300 WSM,it is a very good all-around chambering.

Alos choice of guns PLEASE,PLEASE STAY away from the Remington 710,it is a POS.I know the howa is a little more but it's money well spent.
Have you looked at the Savages,or the Stevens 200 these guns are very reasonble priced and are built for years of use(400 for the savage or 280 for the Stevens)
You can get both in many chamberings.There is alos the Rem 700 SPS you can get in 7 mag for around 400 bucks.
There are many good choices out there instead of the 710.
If you go with the 7mm Rem Mag I'm shure you will be happy.
BBJ

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I personaly do not know about Howa rifles, but Savage makes a great package gun. http://www.savagearms.com/116fxp3.htm

I'm looking into buying one of those myself, abelt in short action .223 instead of long. The stocks that come from the factory leave a little to be desired in looks, but quality and construction isn't bad. I have a model 64 .22lr from them and haven't had much problem so far. At least give them a look, great rifles and very accurite out of the box, plus the scope comes with that package. I would suggest that you at least look at them, like I said, and in 7mm.

If this picture will load, this is the custom laminate stock I was looking at. Around $400 if I remember right. Sorry for the poor photo choping on my part, I was in a hurry.

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Why would you say that it is a P.O.S.! just wondering so i know to stay away from that model in the future?

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Anyone who choose's a large cal. round to shoot such as the .300 Rem Ultra or the .30-378 would be foolish not to reload. Who shoots just 20 rounds? There are shooters out there where money is no object and who happen to like those calibers.

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uh oh!! sounds like you already bought the 710 [:o], better luck next time........ for me the number 1 reason id not take a 710 is they are too rough of a gun for the money they ask for them there are plenty of other guns in the same price range that show much better workmanship. 2. from experince shooting a friends the best groups we could get between the both of us shooting and 4 different brands of ammo and 8 different loadings the best accuracy achieved was 1.5 inch at 100 yards, you might say i just cant shoot but i doubt that LOL i may not be the best but i stand my ground in 200 yard matches. and 3. Ive seen the extractors to be really rough on the rims of cartridge cases, actually sheering off brass from the rims. 4. Ive seen tomany come into my buddies shop with the extractor plunger stuck inside the bolt face causing them not to eject spent shells, which was caused by shards of brass lodging into the cavity where the plunger is. that wouldnt happen if the extractor was a bit gentler on the rims.

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I dont knock the 7mag at all, but the remington 710 has got to be a poor choice. Just do a search on this forum. I did just that, went to the store and checked one outand sure enough... POS. IF you have not shot the rifle yet DONT take it back and demand a refund or at least an exchange for a different model (the remington 700's are great)or brand.

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IMHO for what the 338 is , I don't think much of it. The round is what I term as "snotty" and I find unpleasant to shoot in comparison to the 375 H&H or 300 win or wthby.
I decided on the 375 over the 338 for that reason when I wanted to step up ober the 300's.