Frankenfish
05-27-2020, 03:41 PM
#11
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Maine
Posts: 12,563
For as far as I know we don’t have any snakeheads here. But we do have some brains dead people releasing northern pike and largemouth bass in some of our waters. It’s about the same idea to us who enjoy salmon and trout fishing. Now one of our lakes has mill foil which is very much dreaded here. Those areas of the lake has been shut down completely to fishing and boating in until they can figure a way to get rid of it. It’s part of the St. Croix River and they are asking if anyone sees any of it elsewhere to report it immediately..
05-27-2020, 05:01 PM
#12
Boone & Crockett
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,427
I really wish you would get off your HIGHT and MIGHTY Horse
I am NOT wrong, you are
the facts are simple and not made up
rewards and bounties DO work and are used in countless things today for this reason
rewards for tips on crime, finding things, are ALL proven methods that WORK to get help when others other wise maybe wouldn;t!
the facts are again, PROVEN< that many things that had bounties on them throughout history were killed off to the point of becoming extinct or some have! and many are close and why so many are now protected!
(and there are REWARDS to those that give TIPS leading to arrests of folks that still KILL THEM)
this is a FACT, I am NOT wrong
look it up if you think I am wrong before calling someone something that is FALSE!
I gave you FACTUAL examples
so, maybe before you go being a EX GAME WARDEN that knows it all, look back at your former employers history
you wish to TRY and use , the old bounty crap on hawks and owls and foxes, which was THERE TO GET RID OF SMALL GAME KILLERS!
trying to save the pheasants mostly!
when the problem wasn't really ALL predator, heck the major player in there loss wasn't even them
YET< TONS of folks DID shoot and kill hawks and owls and foxes when there was a reward /bounty on them'
so that is a FACT< it DID work
it got folks to shoot and kill hawks/owls and foxes!
or do you believe it did NOT do this??
NO it didn;t save our pheasants
that was a issue with many other problems That quite frankly the PA game commission dropped the ball on BIG time
going from a top 5 state to almost zero wild pheasants, is a SHAME!
the hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars WASTED on pen raised birds, known to NOT make it on there own at super HIGH death rates if NOT shot by hunters!
was a LOT of wasted money, that could have been spent on BUILDING habitat that could support them, acquiring more land that could be shaped into this habitat too!
talk about wasted $$
well, never hear any wardens ever stand up and admit this was a failure on there part!, and trust me been to enough meetings and asked and heard the excuses they give!
or talks about the damages done to PA's forest, from MAJOR over browsing left go for far too long before anyone seemed to notice!
now were having grouse issue's
after a more than a decade of hunters and folks saying there numbers are WAY down
the PA GC< finally is admitting there is an issue??
its SLOW reactions like this that are the problem!
things get too far gone, before any REAL actions seem to ever happen!!
this is HOW invasive species take HOLD of places
waiting TOO long to take action!!
and before you go thinking I am a PA GC hater, I am NOT, I am very GLAD there , there!
they have done countless GREAT things since there start up, I am personal friends with MANY that work for the PA GC< both current on the job and retired and have even worked with them countless times in my yrs!
but there is NO denying the FACTS of things they have FAILED AT too!
and the FACT your EX warden, makes you IMO< have strong feelings to ALWAYS defend them!, over looking maybe some things
and thus why your so QUICK to call me out at times!, when you have NO honest right to TELL me I am WRONG, when I gave facts to prove I was NOT!
I will never be one to back down from a BULLY., which you are trying to be here IMO!
ignoring FACTS to say YOUR RIGHT!!
nothing motivates like MONEY< but MAYBE FEAR!!
the two strongest motivation tools in life period!
I am NOT wrong, you are
the facts are simple and not made up
rewards and bounties DO work and are used in countless things today for this reason
rewards for tips on crime, finding things, are ALL proven methods that WORK to get help when others other wise maybe wouldn;t!
the facts are again, PROVEN< that many things that had bounties on them throughout history were killed off to the point of becoming extinct or some have! and many are close and why so many are now protected!
(and there are REWARDS to those that give TIPS leading to arrests of folks that still KILL THEM)
this is a FACT, I am NOT wrong
look it up if you think I am wrong before calling someone something that is FALSE!
I gave you FACTUAL examples
so, maybe before you go being a EX GAME WARDEN that knows it all, look back at your former employers history
you wish to TRY and use , the old bounty crap on hawks and owls and foxes, which was THERE TO GET RID OF SMALL GAME KILLERS!
trying to save the pheasants mostly!
when the problem wasn't really ALL predator, heck the major player in there loss wasn't even them
YET< TONS of folks DID shoot and kill hawks and owls and foxes when there was a reward /bounty on them'
so that is a FACT< it DID work
it got folks to shoot and kill hawks/owls and foxes!
or do you believe it did NOT do this??
NO it didn;t save our pheasants
that was a issue with many other problems That quite frankly the PA game commission dropped the ball on BIG time
going from a top 5 state to almost zero wild pheasants, is a SHAME!
the hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars WASTED on pen raised birds, known to NOT make it on there own at super HIGH death rates if NOT shot by hunters!
was a LOT of wasted money, that could have been spent on BUILDING habitat that could support them, acquiring more land that could be shaped into this habitat too!
talk about wasted $$
well, never hear any wardens ever stand up and admit this was a failure on there part!, and trust me been to enough meetings and asked and heard the excuses they give!
or talks about the damages done to PA's forest, from MAJOR over browsing left go for far too long before anyone seemed to notice!
now were having grouse issue's
after a more than a decade of hunters and folks saying there numbers are WAY down
the PA GC< finally is admitting there is an issue??
its SLOW reactions like this that are the problem!
things get too far gone, before any REAL actions seem to ever happen!!
this is HOW invasive species take HOLD of places
waiting TOO long to take action!!
and before you go thinking I am a PA GC hater, I am NOT, I am very GLAD there , there!
they have done countless GREAT things since there start up, I am personal friends with MANY that work for the PA GC< both current on the job and retired and have even worked with them countless times in my yrs!
but there is NO denying the FACTS of things they have FAILED AT too!
and the FACT your EX warden, makes you IMO< have strong feelings to ALWAYS defend them!, over looking maybe some things
and thus why your so QUICK to call me out at times!, when you have NO honest right to TELL me I am WRONG, when I gave facts to prove I was NOT!
I will never be one to back down from a BULLY., which you are trying to be here IMO!
ignoring FACTS to say YOUR RIGHT!!
nothing motivates like MONEY< but MAYBE FEAR!!
the two strongest motivation tools in life period!
05-27-2020, 05:20 PM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,743
Sorry you think that someone telling the truth is a bully, however I will accept the title because being right is not a bad thing. Denying the truth is a bad thing. I suspect I know a whole lot more about the days of bounties than you do. You can try all you want to deny that bounties did not work in the past and will not work in the present, however you will be wrong. I am quite surprised that you would resort to the bully label when told you are wrong,I never took you for a snow flake!
bounties and REWARDS do work
and they are FACT's proven to do so!
'but I get it, your too ignorant to admit your wrong.
the PA game commission still uses them NOW< in there TIPS program too by the way!
as again along with a ton of other resources that use them with success!
the bounties did exactly what they were designed to to in PA< with the game commission'
they got people to shoot and kill hawks, owls and foxes, how ignorant are you to NOT admit this happened
as a FACT there are still countless folks in PA< that still feel hawks and owls should be killed due to the use of doing so,
ONLY reason folks NO longer still shoot and kill hawks and Owl's are they are protected species, and why is that??
your rightness is NOT immune to FACTS,its sad you don;t wish to admit your WRONG!
but that is something MANY wardens IN PA, have issue's with!
05-27-2020, 06:32 PM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
Snakeheads are a very popular food fish in Southeast Asia. And that is why they Asians illegally released them here. It is a fish they were familiar with and they liked to catch and eat. But they spread and don't have much in the way of natural predators. For what it is worth, all species of carp are also invasive species. Not one of them is native to North America. They are from Europe and Asia and were brought here because the people from those areas liked them and they got loose into the waterways. Brown trout are another European import. And then don't forget that we Americans have also done the same thing. Look at rainbow trout, they are native to the Pacific area but that is the most commonly stocked and caught trout in the land. Stocking rainbows has resulted in serious damages to native populations of cutthroat, golden and brook trout.
Stocking invasive or non-native species has been going on for a long, long time.
Stocking invasive or non-native species has been going on for a long, long time.
05-28-2020, 05:44 AM
#15
Boone & Crockett
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,427
your the snow flake
bounties and REWARDS do work
and they are FACT's proven to do so!
'but I get it, your too ignorant to admit your wrong.
the PA game commission still uses them NOW< in there TIPS program too by the way!
as again along with a ton of other resources that use them with success!
the bounties did exactly what they were designed to to in PA< with the game commission'
they got people to shoot and kill hawks, owls and foxes, how ignorant are you to NOT admit this happened
as a FACT there are still countless folks in PA< that still feel hawks and owls should be killed due to the use of doing so,
ONLY reason folks NO longer still shoot and kill hawks and Owl's are they are protected species, and why is that??
your rightness is NOT immune to FACTS,its sad you don;t wish to admit your WRONG!
but that is something MANY wardens IN PA, have issue's with!
bounties and REWARDS do work
and they are FACT's proven to do so!
'but I get it, your too ignorant to admit your wrong.
the PA game commission still uses them NOW< in there TIPS program too by the way!
as again along with a ton of other resources that use them with success!
the bounties did exactly what they were designed to to in PA< with the game commission'
they got people to shoot and kill hawks, owls and foxes, how ignorant are you to NOT admit this happened
as a FACT there are still countless folks in PA< that still feel hawks and owls should be killed due to the use of doing so,
ONLY reason folks NO longer still shoot and kill hawks and Owl's are they are protected species, and why is that??
your rightness is NOT immune to FACTS,its sad you don;t wish to admit your WRONG!
but that is something MANY wardens IN PA, have issue's with!
Look Skippy, I have forgotten more about wildlife and wildlife management and the history of it than you will ever know. So, keep on blustering and blathering, it will not make you any more correct it just makes you look silly!
Last edited by Oldtimr; 05-28-2020 at 06:25 AM.
05-28-2020, 06:26 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,743
as you have NO clue what I know or do not, so your just BELIEVING your something special, yet have NOTHING to go by but a GUESS on your side!
totally ignoring FACTS again!
and again,just refusing to admit your WRONG!
rewards have worked and DO work, its why there still used in so many ways, due to PAST RESULTS!
as do bounties, its been proven time after time it DOES work, just again, do something simple and stop acting like you KNOW IT ALL
and look back at results it has gotten on so many things!
the problem here is your missing the point and cannot separate your feelings from FACTS, and the fact your also missing the point
I NEVER said, rewards/bounties are a 100% FIX, which I am ASSUMING< you THINK I mean with this
, and aI DON"T
I have just said, rewards, bounties will HELP get rid of SOME<
HOWEVER< if you look at the PAST< when money has been used to get KILLS on animals, the results have worked 100% of the time (so much so on some animals, they have been placed on endangered species lists) to GET SOME folks to participant[pate in doing so!
this is also a FACT again, on people shooting hawks and owls and foxes in PA!
it WORKED< its GOT people to SHOOT them!
your ignorance to say other wise is amazing!!
you should really think about what your standing behind saying other wise!
you cannot be that dumb to say people DIDN:T shoot then and got paid for doing so!
when 100% without a doubt it DID happen!
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05-28-2020, 06:45 AM
#17
Boone & Crockett
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,427
HAHA< there you go again showing your true ignorance and made up feeling of superiority!
as you have NO clue what I know or do not, so your just BELIEVING your something special, yet have NOTHING to go by but a GUESS on your side!
totally ignoring FACTS again!
and again,just refusing to admit your WRONG!
rewards have worked and DO work, its why there still used in so many ways, due to PAST RESULTS!
as do bounties, its been proven time after time it DOES work, just again, do something simple and stop acting like you KNOW IT ALL
and look back at results it has gotten on so many things!
the problem here is your missing the point and cannot separate your feelings from FACTS, and the fact your also missing the point
I NEVER said, rewards/bounties are a 100% FIX, which I am ASSUMING< you THINK I mean with this
, and aI DON"T
I have just said, rewards, bounties will HELP get rid of SOME<
HOWEVER< if you look at the PAST< when money has been used to get KILLS on animals, the results have worked 100% of the time (so much so on some animals, they have been placed on endangered species lists) to GET SOME folks to participant[pate in doing so!
this is also a FACT again, on people shooting hawks and owls and foxes in PA!
it WORKED< its GOT people to SHOOT them!
your ignorance to say other wise is amazing!!
you should really think about what your standing behind saying other wise!
you cannot be that dumb to say people DIDN:T shoot then and got paid for doing so!
when 100% without a doubt it DID happen!
as you have NO clue what I know or do not, so your just BELIEVING your something special, yet have NOTHING to go by but a GUESS on your side!
totally ignoring FACTS again!
and again,just refusing to admit your WRONG!
rewards have worked and DO work, its why there still used in so many ways, due to PAST RESULTS!
as do bounties, its been proven time after time it DOES work, just again, do something simple and stop acting like you KNOW IT ALL
and look back at results it has gotten on so many things!
the problem here is your missing the point and cannot separate your feelings from FACTS, and the fact your also missing the point
I NEVER said, rewards/bounties are a 100% FIX, which I am ASSUMING< you THINK I mean with this
, and aI DON"T
I have just said, rewards, bounties will HELP get rid of SOME<
HOWEVER< if you look at the PAST< when money has been used to get KILLS on animals, the results have worked 100% of the time (so much so on some animals, they have been placed on endangered species lists) to GET SOME folks to participant[pate in doing so!
this is also a FACT again, on people shooting hawks and owls and foxes in PA!
it WORKED< its GOT people to SHOOT them!
your ignorance to say other wise is amazing!!
you should really think about what your standing behind saying other wise!
you cannot be that dumb to say people DIDN:T shoot then and got paid for doing so!
when 100% without a doubt it DID happen!
I am sure you intentionally missed the art that the system was rife with fraud, in all states that had bounties., they paid as many bounties for animals and birds from other states as they did for the ones killed in their own states. All bounties did was cost a lot of money. Now I am done with this because you cannot teach anyone who will not learn and is stuck in the 50s and 60s.
05-28-2020, 06:51 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,743
NO your missing the point
the bounty did bring out folks to kill the targeted animals PERIOD< it cause deaths to them
so, it worked!
are there, will there be those that abuse a things, SURE< but you cannot say it didn;t get folks to KILL things!
if cheaters will abuse things, its on the side of those handing out the rewards.bounties to prevent this side of things
sorry you don;t like this, but its also true!
you do seem to even ADMIT it was the SYSTEM and NOT the offer of bounties that was the issue! the offer of bounties/rewards DID work 100% as it was expected to do so!
and I am NOT stuck in the 50's-60's
as again, bounties are used RIGHT NOW In places,as are rewards,
( as a example in PA in 2020 ,PA game commission offer's rewards in there tips program, due to AGAIN it works so>??)
maybe you don't understand this and maybe its YOU that are stuck in the 50-60's and crying about how it didn;t work as planned back then, on the pay outs
but there is NO debating the FACTS it caused targeted animals to be killed DUE to the bounties!
thus I am NOT wrong, YOU are when you say it doesn;t work!
the flaw again is with the pay outs, not the motivation to get the kills!
and an invasive species is I gather wanted dead in ANY and ALL states
so if your so worried about folks cheating and bringing in fish from other states, WHO cares,??
the goal should be to get rid of them or as many as possible,
some thing is better than NOTHING!
doing nothing doesn;t help and will cost $$ as well from the destruction they will have on other species and bodies of water!
maybe you miss this point as well, seems you admit you have memory issue's!
the bounty did bring out folks to kill the targeted animals PERIOD< it cause deaths to them
so, it worked!
are there, will there be those that abuse a things, SURE< but you cannot say it didn;t get folks to KILL things!
if cheaters will abuse things, its on the side of those handing out the rewards.bounties to prevent this side of things
sorry you don;t like this, but its also true!
you do seem to even ADMIT it was the SYSTEM and NOT the offer of bounties that was the issue! the offer of bounties/rewards DID work 100% as it was expected to do so!
and I am NOT stuck in the 50's-60's
as again, bounties are used RIGHT NOW In places,as are rewards,
( as a example in PA in 2020 ,PA game commission offer's rewards in there tips program, due to AGAIN it works so>??)
maybe you don't understand this and maybe its YOU that are stuck in the 50-60's and crying about how it didn;t work as planned back then, on the pay outs
but there is NO debating the FACTS it caused targeted animals to be killed DUE to the bounties!
thus I am NOT wrong, YOU are when you say it doesn;t work!
the flaw again is with the pay outs, not the motivation to get the kills!
and an invasive species is I gather wanted dead in ANY and ALL states
so if your so worried about folks cheating and bringing in fish from other states, WHO cares,??
the goal should be to get rid of them or as many as possible,
some thing is better than NOTHING!
doing nothing doesn;t help and will cost $$ as well from the destruction they will have on other species and bodies of water!
maybe you miss this point as well, seems you admit you have memory issue's!
Last edited by mrbb; 05-28-2020 at 06:58 AM.
05-28-2020, 07:09 AM
#19
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: On an Island in Vermont
Posts: 22,583
My own feeling is bounties and rewards for hunting or fishing do help but dont accomplish the goal. Pigs are invasive animals in about half the states and as far as I know unlimited killing hasn't removed them all. Nature finds a way to continue especially when an invasive only has man as its predator. It had been shown that wild pigs cant be contained and when they do escape cant be eliminated totally. These snakeheads can breath air so they can exist outside water for a period of time. Once fully grown they dont have many enemies other than man. Most of the places where they have shown biologists killed off the lake in order to remove them.
05-28-2020, 07:58 AM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,743
My own feeling is bounties and rewards for hunting or fishing do help but dont accomplish the goal. Pigs are invasive animals in about half the states and as far as I know unlimited killing hasn't removed them all. Nature finds a way to continue especially when an invasive only has man as its predator. It had been shown that wild pigs cant be contained and when they do escape cant be eliminated totally. These snakeheads can breath air so they can exist outside water for a period of time. Once fully grown they dont have many enemies other than man. Most of the places where they have shown biologists killed off the lake in order to remove them.
but when trying to eradicate an invasive species, I have NO issue's with a bounty or a reward on there heads
the name of the game is to kill as many as possible;to try and curb there advancement of taking hold and the steps needed to prevent this have to happen ASAP as problems are noticed
many places that have Pig?Hog issue's, have them due to things were too far gone for much help from hunters alone.
this is where sadly many depts fail, they wait too long to take action, and by the time they do, the problem is very hard to correct!
but adding an incentive of MONEY< motivates and will cause the death of more of the targeted species than just plain old ASKING ever will!
and this is why, so many agencies ,state ,federal, and the public use the offer of a reward to get help on countless things, plain and simple it works, to get folks that other wise wouldn;t get involved, involved!
its a time proven tactic!
its not perfect nor is it the single solution's to problems, but its a great tool used by many with GREAT results throughout history, thus why its still going on today !
