Browning or Weatherby
 

I'm looking for a new 270 in browning a-bolt or a weatherby mark 5. Which do you guys think is better?

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I would go with Weatherby but instead of the Mark V I would get the Weatherby Vanguard which is available in 270 Winchester. It is every bit as good as either the Mark V or the Browning at a far more reasonable price.

Californiadoctor

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I love my browings. they are very well built and finished very well and and are accurate right out of the box. i like how well with my brother inlaws 243 the clip connects to the floor plate of the rifle. I have never owned a weather by so i cant coment. take a look at both and see how they fit you. if nothing else buy the one that fits you best. you cant go wrong with a 270. good choise.

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I have had both and still have brownings. The Marks are decently made I like the 3 bolt lug. But they are generally pretty heavy. And not worth the price. I am not a vanguard fan, so I would go with the A-Bolt. They have always treated me right. And for the price, I think you cannot beat em. And unlike the vanguard, they have good resale, as I trade alot.

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I have to agree.The mark v's are overpriced and offer no more accuracy.I don't like the magazine system that browning uses because it is much slower and more complicated than other detachable mags.

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Any reason(s) why you have limited it to just these two brands?

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Browning "A Bolt". The Weatherby's have never impressed me. The 270 Win is a great caliber. By the way welcome to the forum Farmanimal

Ruger Redhawk

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Howdy and welcome to the forums.

I'm a Browning man. Why own anything less?;)

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i've never been impressed with browning triggers.i'd go with the mark v or a remington 700.

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I have one of each. I like the Weatherby slightly better. It has a little better finish and I shoot tighter groups with it. I used to think Weatherby's were for guys with more money and less skill. That was until I shot a Weatherby side by side to a Sako 75 I was considering buying.

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How many loads did you shoot in each?The only fair test of a pair of guns accuracy is to try several factory loads in each rifle or to develop handloads for each.

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Its funny that alot of guys yell BROWNING BROWNING BROWNING and curse the Vanguards like the plague when in actuality BOTH rifles are built by the same people in Japan (Miruko/Howa). Even the actions are very similar. Dont get me wrong, the Brownings are great guns and I have several of them. But the Vanguard is a better value (more for the money) than the beloved Abolt. Its your money, if you just want to have the buckmark on your gun then get the Browning. If you can only have one rifle and arent worried about the "name" then look at the Vanguard.

Truths a bytch sometimes, [:@]
RA

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The original post asked about the browning a-bolt and the weatherby mark V.The vanguard was not mentioned.However like yourself,I prefer the vanguard over the a-bolt.I also prefer the vanguard over the mark V.

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Bolts totally different on the a-bolt. First browning bolt is 60degrees, I think vanguard is 90. I don't believe the vanguard has three lugs like the A-Bolt which I really like. But whats really funny is people who have never worked in a outsourcing enviroment thinking that if a place makes two different products then quality or design is the same. These people really make me laugh. If you have any experience with a outsourcing company, then its all about the specs, and how much QA you are willing to put into the product. For example, I have bought lenses from an Austrian manfacturer, that quality is lets say not near as good as the best at a Japanese manufacturer. Reason was we spec'd the lenses for certain values and only willing to pay for these specs as thats all that was needed. But the Austrian company could have done alot better if we paid them twice as much.

Goodness, is there anything simular to a A-Bolt reciever and a Vanguard? Maybe the extractor.

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I'LL TAKE THE BUCKMARK

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I'll take the A-Bolt over the Mark V

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My bad, I thought he was asking about a Abolt vs Vanguard. I don't guess I can really say which one I would have solo. I have both a Mark V and a Abolt and I once had a Vanguard (someone didn't ask if they could use it but took it anyway [:@] ).

The Vanguard is a 60 degree bolt just like a Abolt. I would not say that Howa builds a crappy gun (Vanguard) on purpose while building a good one (Abolt) simply because of cost. Both guns feature a twin front lug action like the 700 Rem (which is essentially what the Vanguard is a copy of and where the Abolts pattern was cut from).

I guess I am more of a traditionalist when I think that Mark Vs should be bought in Wby Mag cals!!!
RA

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I shot three different loads with the Weatherby. Two different Weatherby and one Remington. The Sako was Four different loads. Two Remington, one Federal and one Winchester. The Sako was a .300 Win Mag and the Weatherby was a .300 Whby Mag..
I don't hand load, so I only shoot off the self ammo. The Weatherby I got to test was not the one I bought. My Weatherby gives me better groups than either my A-bolt or Tikka Whitetail hunter.
You don't have to like the Weatherbys. I do!

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That is correct but I do give each gun a fair test.To me that means testing several loads in several different bullet weights and styles so each gun does have a chance to show it's potential.

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Well, things may have changed, but the walmart vanguards I have seen has 90 degree bolt lift and
all my abolts have three lugs on the bolt. You sure you have a abolt?

Nobody said they build a crappy gun. If you know anything about outsourcing, you know there are different levels of it depending how much you are willing to pay to have something built.

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I was given a new Vanguard in .270 win and have put more than 200 rounds through it and it just keeps getting better and better. Although I do load my own rounds for it, it has not been picky on what I shoot through it. My Vanguard does have a 60 degree bolt lift and two lugs. I can't compare it to the A-bolt as I have never had one nor shot one. Not as smooth as my Remington 700's or Winchester 70. More than accurate enough to hit game farhter than most people can shoot, and seems to be very reliable and well built.

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Dadgonit people. You all must have those special made vanguards that no one else has. Read straight from weatherby's website.

http://www.weatherby.com/rifles/vanguard.shtml

Or read the 10th paragraph.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/wby_vanguard_syn.htm

Or read here.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/weatherby_vanguard.html

Or here on the weatherby vanguard section.
http://www.webarms.com/Gun%20Supplie...n%20Rifles.htm

I am going to let you in on a little secret on rifles and I by no means am a expert, with a two bolt design its hard to achieve a 60degree bolt lift like a browning, or 54 degree like the real weatherby. Your lugs have to be huge.

Ok, let the posts fly. Where are ya capt ray. Stubble, I know you know the answer but won't confirm this fact.

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As you say the vanguard does have a 90 degree bolt throw.I have owned rifles with 54,60 and 90 degree bolt throws and personally,I do not find any real difference cycling any of them.I do prefer the idea of two or three lugs because it is easier to lap then to obtain even pressure on each,whereas it is nearly impossible to attain even loading on nine lugs.

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Stubble, I agree the extra degree of throw doesn't concern me either. What I saying to one poster that the actions are far from simular. I am not sure what kinda gun he has if he has 60 degree throws, but I am sure its not a vanguard. And not sure what kinda A-Bolts he has if he has 2 lugs.

I like 3 lug but agree the 9lug thing is too much.

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Thanks for all of your input... I think that i will get the browning.:D
Then again I can't have too many rifles mabey i'll buy the vanguard as well;)

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I'll stay with FN Browning! Weatherby's have to much FREE BORE . How ever way the bullet strikes the rifeling,thats the
way it is going to exit. If the bullet already has a slight KANT on the shell plus to much FREE BORE.....BAD PRINT.
When I reload, I always check RUN OUT on finish rounds with round-out gage.
If you want to check how much FREE BORE your rifle has, purchase the tool from STONEY POINT. There is one for Bolt
and one for Levers. I have read on this POST, how accurate can I make my reloads? Well?


KEEP ON ROOTING!!!

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Rebel, not all weatherby's have that much freebore. Just the "weatherby" rounds.

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RA Howas are made by HOwa here is their link http://www.howa.co.jp/english/

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I've had both, I still have a Wby. I like the short bolt throw, accuracy with factory ammo is very good. Things I don't like is the long barrel, I'm going to get almost 2 inches off mine next time I talk to our local gunsmith. I'm not a fan of long barrels.

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oeh I believe what was once Miroku's gun making division (they built for many makers including Weatherby, Beretta, Charles Daly and of course Browning) was either sold to Howa or spunoff too become Howa? Miroku is now solely into gundrill mfgring. At one point (in the late 60s I believe) Miroku and FN actually bought 90% of the stock of Browning Arms Inc.

I have a stainless stalker Abolt (1) 7mag that has Miroku stamped on the barrel. I will have to check but I am fairly sure that a French holding company owns what we know as Browning and Winchester arms today. Perhaps that company was the reminants (or a branched off subsidiary?) that purchased Miroku's shares of Browning Arms and is now the company that we know today?

Corporate history is seldom stationary but the end result is the same, the guns are equally great!
RA

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I have an A-Bolt Stainless Stalker that was produced in 2004. It has Miroku stamped on the barrel. Sorry for the low lighting in the pic. Its too cold to go outside & take it.

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Still don't make the howas and A-Bolts action the same.

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Thats' because people still get Miroku and Howa confused. I don't know how difficult it is to comprehend that they are 2 separate companies.

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I used to spend alot of time over there for NTT. And I have to admit, I kinda lumped the whole country into a group before knowing the people. But when you are in the culture, you find out, they are alot like us (but anxiety mess), with some companies being great, and some crap.

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oeh what are you saying? Are you saying that Howa builds the guns while Miroku doesnt? You can get on Miroku's website and they clearly state their business which does not include gunmaking. Howa's website proudly features their gunmaking division. Yet as anyone with an Abolt can vouch, Miroku is clearly stamped on the barrel.

Clear as mud? :D
RA

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Does this include your one of a kind 60 degree throw howa? You clearly havn't spent any time in the land of the rising sun. Multitasking companies are the norm.

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I'm a Browning fan all the way.....good decision! Then agan, if you get both you'll be able to decide which you like better.

firstshot

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Changing the subject a little, has anyone tried or bought the Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA? From their website, I got the impression that they just pulled the best shooters out of the regular Vanguards and are trying to charge more for them. Am I mistaken? Are they worth it?

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That is also my impression.

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Howa builds Howas and Weatherby Vanguards and their MK V'ss and S&W's for years that is what I am saying.
Miroku probably builds Brownings for all I know and care.

BC hopefully your not asking me this question I don't know about anyone else but my Vanguard clearly has a 90degree bolt throw.



My Regular POS vanguard in 300 wsm does sub .99 and it doesn't have the fancy floorplate or stock. I wish it had the stock though but for 375 bucks I can't have everything. If the gun retails in the 600 dollar range and shoots like my 375 dollar gun it is well worth it and a darn good value.