Thanks for deleting the Private Message.

So long, I'll be gone now.

Senior,

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I replied to your private message a few hours after you sent it.

Here's a screen shot of my inbox and sent folders. As you can see, your message is there. And so is my reply to you.

Whatever you think I deleted, I didn't.




-Jake

The administration will have a record of it. Check with them It was clearly there then disappeared a few minutes later.

What message are you speaking of?
​​​​​​One in your own inbox or something that you posted on the forum or what?

Mods do not have access to your private messages. At least not that I'm aware of. So I couldn't have erased your message.

And, as the screenshot that I posted clearly shows, your messages are still in my inbox and sent folder.

Just trying to figure out whats going on and what you're referring to.

-Jake

I haven't seen a production rifle shoot 5" groups off a bench in many many years. Let alone two (or one that was returned and checked at the factory). I wouldn't be surprised if it is the shooting technique. Placing the barrel of a light sporting rifle on the bags at different locations and using different cheek pressure etc all can effect accuracy. Inconsistency is the best way to ruin accuracy. Could even be a flinch by the shooter. One way to find that out is have someone else load (or not load) the rifle, put it on safe and hand it to the shooter. See if he flinches when the firing pin drops on an empty chamber.

Id agree that 5" hundred yard groups, shot off a good bench rest ,
with factory ammo and if you've tried several bullet weights and brands of ammo,
are un-except-able in a name brand bolt action,
the fact two different rifles show similar poor accuracy makes me think its not the rifle.
obviously a clean rifle bore and a decent scope and mount is required,
and Id suspect its the scope, or scope mounts, until proven otherwise.
while theres zero real info posted so far,here,
suggesting the shooter,or rifle is at fault, or that,
the scope or scope mounts being used,
the ammo or rifle itself is at fault,
and the cause of those 5" groups,
I've also rarely seen a new bolt action that would not consistently group in under 2"
at 100 yards, off a good sand bag, rest with a skilled shooter, and decent factory ammo.
but I have seen bad scope mounts,
scopes and plenty of people who lacked the skills too regularly, shoot tight consistent groups.
individually eliminate each potential source of that in-accuracy and you should find its source.
logically a process of elimination,of taking accurate notes,
of the potential cause and effect of changes made would be used, I.E.
clean the rifle bores carefully,
change the scope mounts, scope, and shooter, shooting the groups,
having a isolate and test approach helps,and watch the resulting groups.
as each change was done as a single change,notes taken and results logged,
each change being individually made,youll soon find the problems source

I've seen too many shooters, including my own grandfather, try to anticipate the shot and jerk the trigger or flinch. But there are just too many variables here without seeing the rifle or the shooter. Like Hardcast stated it could be so many things or a combination of a few causing this erratic shooting. If everything else checks out then I would take the rifle to a gunsmith and have him bed the action.

Senior apparently thinks somebody (me?) Deleted his private messages. He hasn't logged back on since then.

Despite me showing him that his messages were still in my inbox and telling him that I've got no access to members private messages.

Can't keep everybody happy I guess. We may never know what the accuracy issue is.

-Jake