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bronko22000 03-22-2019 04:47 PM

Can anyone help?
 
I'm undecided on what to get here. I'm thinking of either a S&W 460VXR (.460 S&W) or a T/C Contender/Encore in 7x30 Waters or .35 Remington. I have experience with the Contender and 7x30 and took a few deer with it but I'm curious about the S&W.

mrbb 03-22-2019 05:35 PM

I think its going to be hard for anyone to know what you like better than YOU
they can all be fine guns, but personal preference and what feels better in YOUR hand would be what I should suggest you get!
I am not real big into big bore handguns, owned a bunch, sold most, kept a few, more due to just got for great deals and more safe queens now than shooters!
Maybe ask yourself, what do you want the gun for?
Hunting deer, bears? or?? targets only?

Nomercy448 03-22-2019 07:03 PM

I'm a die hard revolver nut, but find the X-frames ungainly. For me to feel like I'm doing more with the 460 than I could with a hot 44mag or 454C, I went with the long barrel - which isn't really THAT much more ungainly than the shorter barreled models.

The Break Action pistols in modest rifle cartridges are sublime. I have both, so I guess I can't really say which I prefer, neither are a bad choice by all measures, neither are the best choice by all either.

If I could only have one, it would likely be the revolver, for more application options.

bronko22000 03-22-2019 08:26 PM

Like I say d I had a contender that shot several deer. I also have a s&w 29 with a 8 3/8" barrel that I've taken a couple with. This would be used for deer and black bear. And it would preferably be scoped. If I went with the 460 revolver I would want the integral mount

mrbb 03-23-2019 06:36 AM

it still sort of falls back to me, as to what one FITS your hand better, we all have different hand sizes, and to me fit on a hand gun is a huge part of shooting it well, handling recoil and just enjoying the gun.
grips can all be changed to TRY and make one fit, but there is still that balance issue, that everyone seems to maybe like a little more or less in spots
so, again back to having to hold them all and see what YOU like best!
I have never hunted bears with a hand gun, but carried many as back up in AK and places where I felt a need to!
and I may get some dislikes from my pick but I tended to like to carry a good 10 MM glock with very good loads, rather durable gun IMO< and enough to MAYBE help if needed LOL

Erno86 03-23-2019 07:10 AM

I've recently heard criticism (on another forum) about S&W's Performance Center workmanship, from a shooter who bought a 460VXR with major extraction problems.

bronko22000 03-26-2019 08:28 PM

MRBB a 10mm is not legal to hunt with here in PA but IMO it would also limit my effective range.
NoMercy I've been looking around doing more research. From what I found the .460 is a great long range revolver cartridge (also chambered in single action pistols). But I think I found another option. The T/C Encore chambered in either .243 or .308 would be just the ticket for my purposes. And from the info I've found either of these would be more pleasant to shoot than the .460.

mrbb 03-27-2019 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4353872)
MRBB a 10mm is not legal to hunt with here in PA but IMO it would also limit my effective range.
NoMercy I've been looking around doing more research. From what I found the .460 is a great long range revolver cartridge (also chambered in single action pistols). But I think I found another option. The T/C Encore chambered in either .243 or .308 would be just the ticket for my purposes. And from the info I've found either of these would be more pleasant to shoot than the .460.

I wasn't suggesting a 10 mm for you LOL
or anything about being a longer range pistol for hunting
just stated that was what I carried as a back up in AK for a bunch of hunts!
and actually a 10 mm is LEGAL to hunt with in PA, as you can get them in a revolver, so in that set up you could hunt with them no??
and again NOT pushing a 10 mm, but a decent read if you have any interest in one!~

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...0-mm-revolver/



as for them contenders I have shot a bunch of them over the yrs, in many rifle calibers, ,a lot comes down to how well you handle and like recoil in a handgun, and there draw back to some is being a single shot deal!
but as we all know, 99% of hunting is a 1 shot deal, so it really doesn't matter, but some just like the fast second shot just in case, maybe all the more so if hunting bears with one?
I still say the gun/model that fits you , you will be happier with than just going by caliber here!

TN Lone Wolf 03-28-2019 08:40 AM

When I get home and get on a computer, I’ll share my thoughts. I’ve got a bit of experience on the subject.

Nomercy448 03-28-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4353872)
I think I found another option. The T/C Encore chambered in either .243 or .308 would be just the ticket for my purposes. And from the info I've found either of these would be more pleasant to shoot than the .460.

The 7-08 is one of my favorite specialty pistol cartridges, and an XP100 in 7-08 is one of my favorite firearms of all time. The Encore is more svelte, and in current production, but the same rules of physics apply - the 7-08 has enough bore to make relatively good use of the powder capacity in a short barrel and enough bullet weight to do the job at the other end even at reduced speed. I’m not a huge fan of 308win in any platform, but it sure seems to be popular.

An Encore in 338 Fed, with its big bore to chew up powder in a short barrel, is incredibly intriguing to me as well. Might have to rebarrel one of my Savage Strikers.

bronko22000 03-28-2019 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Nomercy448 (Post 4353947)


The 7-08 is one of my favorite specialty pistol cartridges, and an XP100 in 7-08 is one of my favorite firearms of all time. The Encore is more svelte, and in current production, but the same rules of physics apply - the 7-08 has enough bore to make relatively good use of the powder capacity in a short barrel and enough bullet weight to do the job at the other end even at reduced speed. I’m not a huge fan of 308win in any platform, but it sure seems to be popular.

An Encore in 338 Fed, with its big bore to chew up powder in a short barrel, is incredibly intriguing to me as well. Might have to rebarrel one of my Savage Strikers.

Seems we have a couple things in common NoMercy. I'm not a fan of the .308 either. I've taken a few deer with it and it never impressed me. I also busted the snot out of a nice size black bear hitting him in the chest 3 times until it dove into the mountain laurel only to be shot and killed by another hunter about 150 yards away. The 338 federal has perked my interest in the past and I like the 7-08. The reason I am thinking about the .243 is that I am debating getting a used one I found. I like the Encore over the Contender because the Contender needs to be broke open if you cock the hammer and don't fire it. You can recock the Encore.

TN Lone Wolf 03-28-2019 04:50 PM

Okay, I'm on a device where I can actually type out long responses.

Isn't the answer obvious? Get an Encore chambered in 460 S&W! That's the best compromise. :D :D :D Okay, I'm just kidding. Although that is something I'd like to do at some point come to think of it.

So, the Model 460. . . . It's a powerful revolver. A handcannon. An absolute beast of a handgun. Between the recoil and muzzle blast, it's quite a lot to handle when you touch a round off. I never quite got to the point I could comfortably handle the XVR. That said, you've clearly got some experience with shooting hunting handguns. My best advice to you would be to see if you can find someone with a 460 and ask if you can try it out. That way you could get an idea of what to expect, and whether you think it's something you'd like to pursue. I'm aware that's probably a bit of a stretch.

On the subject of the Encore. There's a lot of options that are more comfortable to shoot than the 460. Hell, my 300 Win Mag kicks less, although with its brake it's just as loud. The only caliber you've mentioned that I've tried is a 243 Winchester barrel, a T/C factory 15" barrel to be specific. I rather liked it, but I ended up getting the 300 barrel because I felt the 243 in an Encore pistol would be marginal for deer. Just a personal opinion, you may feel differently. There's one thing I noticed, though, that you might need to consider. While it's true I wasn't pushing the maximum loads listed in the manual, a potential deer hunting load I came up with drove a 95 grain SST at 2,500 fps. I could have probably pushed them about 100 fps faster, but I digress. The important thing is the 95 grain bullets weren't very accurate at all, and after running the numbers, I don't think they were stable at those speeds with the twist rate. The factory barrels are 1-10", and if you want to use the heavier deer hunting bullets, I think you need a bit faster twist to be able to stabilize those heavier bullets at those speeds. I talked to another guy who had a 1-10" twist Scout pistol who had the same problem. He said he found an 80 grain bullet that worked well, though.

In addition to the 243, looking at Thompson Center's website, you can buy a factory 15" barrel in, 7mm-08, 308, 30-06. Needless to say, all three of those are great options to choose from. The 7mm-08 is probably the one I'd recommend, if I had to choose between the three.

One last thing on the subject of Encore barrels: if you decide to go that route, I highly, highly recommend getting MatchGradeMachine to make you one. Their basic barrels are similar in price to T/C factory barrels, but they are very good quality and highly customizable with regards to length, contour, crown, twist rate, and especially the absolutely ridiculous number of caliber options they offer. Want a 6mm Creedmoor handgun? 350 Rem Mag? 458 Lott? You can made an Encore pistol barrel in it.

Hope this helps.

bronko22000 03-30-2019 05:46 AM

Thanks for the great response Wolf. About the .243 from what info I can gather going from a 20" barrel to a 15" barrel you will lose about 150 fps with an 80 gr bullet and about 250 fps with a 100 gr bullet.(https://rifleshooter.com/2016/04/243...h-on-velocity/)
Back in my younger years many many moons ago all I had was a Savage 110LH in .243. I killed dozens of deer with that rifle and a couple hundred groundhogs. That rifle was like an extension of me and all I ever shot out of it was Hornady Interlock 100 gr RN bullets. I only ever had one deer not drop at the first shot and what I surmised after examination was a faulty bullet that shattered when it hit the shoulder bone. But the second shot while it was running away broke both shoulders and I watched him do a somersault through the scope. My favorite load was 40.5 gr of IMR4350 under that Hornady.
Because the .243 is used I can get a better deal than new. Then I just may take NoMercy's advice and get me a 338 Federal barrel for it.

TN Lone Wolf 03-30-2019 08:45 AM

I take it you’ve found a used 243 Encore pistol for a good price? Nice.

I guess the 338 Federal would be pretty good, but I think you should go with a 338 Win Mag instead. No brake. :happy0157: :happy0157: :happy0157:

Bocajnala 03-30-2019 10:09 AM

Bronk needs a .458Lott.

Nothing else will satisfy ;)

-Jake

t.shaffer 03-31-2019 03:52 AM

i would diffently go with the t/c 460. i have 1 & when i decide to use a hand cannon for deer it's the 460 . there is no game in north america that the 460 won't take down.

TN Lone Wolf 03-31-2019 08:23 AM

Oh, one more thing I thought of. If you go with a bottleneck cartridge and decide to reload, I’ve found the faster burning powders listed for the cartridge tend to work a bit better in those short barrels.

Nomercy448 03-31-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by TN Lone Wolf (Post 4354034)
Oh, one more thing I thought of. If you go with a bottleneck cartridge and decide to reload, I’ve found the faster burning powders listed for the cartridge tend to work a bit better in those short barrels.

Keep headed down that road. You’ll come back to your senses sooner or later.

The powder which gives the best velocity in a rifle length barrel will do the same in the short barrels.

TN Lone Wolf 03-31-2019 08:03 PM

While I trust your judgment, my 300 and (former) 243 barrel seemed to prefer otherwise. IMR 4064 worked well in both.

bronko22000 04-10-2019 08:39 AM

Well the .243 Encore will soon be on its way to my FFL. But I won't be able to pick it up until mid to late May when I get back up north. The scope, rings and base are already ordered for it too. Now that I have the base (receiver) the sky's the limit on what I can get for it. From .22 LR to .458 and shotgun and muzzleloader barrels!
And in so much that I've only ever need more than one shot on three occasions in my over 50 years of hunting I just might start selling off all my other guns.....NOT!

bronko22000 09-05-2019 07:17 AM

I forgot all about this,thread. I got a great deal on an encore in .243 Wiin. First time out with it after squeezing off a few rounds of Federal factory 100 gr loads I was able to shoot a couple 5 shot 1" and slightly larger groups with it. I loaded up some handloads but haven't shot them yet. Just too many irons in the fire right now.

Idaholewis 09-12-2019 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4360799)
I forgot all about this,thread. I got a great deal on an encore in .243 Wiin. First time out with it after squeezing off a few rounds of Federal factory 100 gr loads I was able to shoot a couple 5 shot 1" and slightly larger groups with it. I loaded up some handloads but haven't shot them yet. Just too many irons in the fire right now.


I had an Encore Pistol about 12, maybe 15 years ago? Been a long time! I could convert it to Rifle, i had a Stainless Fluted 7MM Rem Mag Barrel for it, and in the Pistol end i went .500 S&W, Talk About KICK :D That thing was Violent! I also owned the S&W 500 Revolver in 8-3/8”, The Revolver was a Baby to Shoot compared to the Encore, The Revolver was a PUSH in the Carpal Tunnel of the Palm, that is the best I remember it. The Encore was BRUTAL in every way, that thing Recoiled up, Back, A little bit of Everything. The 7 Mag didn’t shoot worth a Darn, the ONLY 7Mag i ever owned that Didn’t? I blamed the Break Action and Sold the Whole outfit.


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