Most accurate rifle
03-17-2014, 06:03 AM
#51
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 44
saur, the 3 in and 2 out points to seating depth, check your throat length, establish a max COL and seat .006-,010 under that, see how it does.
RR
RR I called Hornady about seating depth and they said to seat the bullet no closer than .020 thousands off the lands because of pressure, can I go closer without excessive pressure? So far I have used a dial caliper to measure the coal and all were within .05 of an inch of each other. I do have a comparter(spelling) and have used it but usually I fist try to get a decent load worked up and then fine tune it. How critical is seating depth anyway? I have been able to get good results with other rifles but just going with the longest coal the book says with a dial caliper.
RR
RR I called Hornady about seating depth and they said to seat the bullet no closer than .020 thousands off the lands because of pressure, can I go closer without excessive pressure? So far I have used a dial caliper to measure the coal and all were within .05 of an inch of each other. I do have a comparter(spelling) and have used it but usually I fist try to get a decent load worked up and then fine tune it. How critical is seating depth anyway? I have been able to get good results with other rifles but just going with the longest coal the book says with a dial caliper.
03-17-2014, 01:36 PM
#52
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,644
yes you can, but drop your charge and work back up, some rifles like jump, some don't, I'd set it .010 off the lands and try a 5 shot group, if your at 20, and .010 doesn't help, try .030 off, my 6.5 gibbs shoots best at .030 off, my 7mm Allen magnum likes them jammed .006.
your velocity may be a tad lower closer to the lands at the same pressure but it may be what your rifle prefers. hope this helps.
RR
your velocity may be a tad lower closer to the lands at the same pressure but it may be what your rifle prefers. hope this helps.
RR
03-18-2014, 06:13 PM
#54
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Garrett County, MD
Posts: 251
bandwagon much? Read the whole thread.
I hunt only 300 acres of private and it's THICK
ALL shot opportunities are inside if 90 yards
Which dictates why I only sight in to 100
the reason I pull my rifle out the week before season is because rifle hunting is stupid simple, any 10 year old can do it.
Some of us already know where the buck will be and set up 50 yards from where he's gonna walk.
Not all of us are looking for deer some already know the exact trail they will be on and when.
I hunt only 300 acres of private and it's THICK
ALL shot opportunities are inside if 90 yards
Which dictates why I only sight in to 100
the reason I pull my rifle out the week before season is because rifle hunting is stupid simple, any 10 year old can do it.
Some of us already know where the buck will be and set up 50 yards from where he's gonna walk.
Not all of us are looking for deer some already know the exact trail they will be on and when.
03-18-2014, 06:31 PM
#55
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location:
Posts: 5,130
bandwagon much? Read the whole thread.
I hunt only 300 acres of private and it's THICK
ALL shot opportunities are inside if 90 yards
Which dictates why I only sight in to 100
the reason I pull my rifle out the week before season is because rifle hunting is stupid simple, any 10 year old can do it.
Some of us already know where the buck will be and set up 50 yards from where he's gonna walk.
Not all of us are looking for deer some already know the exact trail they will be on and when.
I hunt only 300 acres of private and it's THICK
ALL shot opportunities are inside if 90 yards
Which dictates why I only sight in to 100
the reason I pull my rifle out the week before season is because rifle hunting is stupid simple, any 10 year old can do it.
Some of us already know where the buck will be and set up 50 yards from where he's gonna walk.
Not all of us are looking for deer some already know the exact trail they will be on and when.
Logan,
You sure make it sound pretty easy !!! LOL
03-18-2014, 06:34 PM
#56
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Garrett County, MD
Posts: 251
If I ever go out pronhorn hunting I might sight for 300 and buy some shooting sticks or use a rest or something but these are whitetails. And if you know their patterns it's easy to get in close.
And since our bow season comes in sept 7 I have two months to watch and learn those patterns and when rifle season comes in I know the exact trails specific deer use. Most times I am hunting a specific buck in rifle.
And since our bow season comes in sept 7 I have two months to watch and learn those patterns and when rifle season comes in I know the exact trails specific deer use. Most times I am hunting a specific buck in rifle.
03-18-2014, 06:40 PM
#57
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Garrett County, MD
Posts: 251
Isn't it?
I spend two months hunting deer before rifle comes In idk I just know where they are. of course I don't always get the exact deer I want but I fill my tags and eat steak all year lol which is what it's all about.
I spend two months hunting deer before rifle comes In idk I just know where they are. of course I don't always get the exact deer I want but I fill my tags and eat steak all year lol which is what it's all about.
03-19-2014, 06:46 AM
#58
Spike
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 4
To the OP's original question, here's my limited experience:
Weatherby Vanguard S2 Varmint Special in .22-250, shoots under an inch 5 shot groups at 300 yards with hand loaded 55 grain SGK HPBT, closer to 1.5" 5 shot groups with 40 grain Nosler Varmageddon FPHP
Weatherby Vanguard S2 Synthetic in .308, doesn't shoot the 150 grains Nosler Accubonds all that well, something like 8" groups at 400 yards. Going to try 165 grain Nosler Accubonds this afternoon
My brother and I had identical Browning A Bolt II Synthetic rifles in .270. I got his to shoot under an inch with handloads at 100 yards, couldn't get mine to shoot under 3". I think there's a headspace issue with that rifle, probably need to send it back.
My dad's Remington 700 SPS in .223 shoots 1.20" 5 shoot groups at 300 with hand loaded 55 gr SGK SPBTs.
Just more data points for you
Weatherby Vanguard S2 Varmint Special in .22-250, shoots under an inch 5 shot groups at 300 yards with hand loaded 55 grain SGK HPBT, closer to 1.5" 5 shot groups with 40 grain Nosler Varmageddon FPHP
Weatherby Vanguard S2 Synthetic in .308, doesn't shoot the 150 grains Nosler Accubonds all that well, something like 8" groups at 400 yards. Going to try 165 grain Nosler Accubonds this afternoon
My brother and I had identical Browning A Bolt II Synthetic rifles in .270. I got his to shoot under an inch with handloads at 100 yards, couldn't get mine to shoot under 3". I think there's a headspace issue with that rifle, probably need to send it back.
My dad's Remington 700 SPS in .223 shoots 1.20" 5 shoot groups at 300 with hand loaded 55 gr SGK SPBTs.
Just more data points for you
03-22-2014, 07:11 AM
#59
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Texas and Arkansas
Posts: 1,496
The most accurate rifle I have is a Sako L691 (circa 1994) in 300 WBY. On a bad day I'll shoot a 3/4" group (3 shots) at 100 yards. On a good day, those groups will shrink significantly.
With that said, my son and I have Marlin 336s (circa 1971) that I can get a little over 1/2" groups with at 100 yards (3 shot) with Hornady Leverevolution ammo.
With that said, my son and I have Marlin 336s (circa 1971) that I can get a little over 1/2" groups with at 100 yards (3 shot) with Hornady Leverevolution ammo.
Last edited by GRIZZLYMAN; 03-22-2014 at 07:14 AM.
03-22-2014, 06:47 PM
#60
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 44
This is the OP, I will not give up, I wish I could get groups like some here. What irks me was I had a gunsmith bed the stock, lap the barrel and do make sure the crown is correct on the Vanguard and I still can't get a decent 4-5 shot group. I can get decent 3 shot group one time and the next time out with the EXACT reloads it will not preform like it did the first time. It seems I always get a flyer after the 2nd or 3rd shot. I am shooting in MN in Feb/March and I let the barrel cool down between shots(doesn't take long in this weather) Going to try some new reloads next week and if that does not help rifle is going back to the smith.
