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abolt913 02-04-2012 12:54 PM

Conceale and carry Guns??
 
What are some good choices of guns for conceal and carry , and has anyone ever had or shot a pistol made by KAHR ARMS ??????

Sfury 02-04-2012 04:08 PM

There is no simple answer to the question. You have to go out and handle the different guns out there. You need to find that one that fits your hand the best. That is the gun you will most likely shoot the best.

Granted, it's not as simple as that. However, you do need to not only think of how well the gun fits you, but how well you can handle the recoil of the given calibers. Different guns are easier/harder to control than others. Even the same guns vary with different ammunition types for the same caliber.

Basically, if you can go to the range with someone who has shot handguns, and rent/use different ones you can get a feel for them pretty quick. You will learn a lot quickly with the right instructor.

Oh, and this may seem strange, but getting a .22 LR pistol/revolver to practice with will help out your mechanics a lot. Getting two handguns to begin with actually makes a lot of sense.

I have never heard of Kaha Arms either. Are you referring to Kahr Arms? If so, they make a good product.

Do not tie yourself to one manufacturer. Go and handle them. Keep an open mind, and you will have fewer regrets when you buy your first gun.

I'm a revolver kind of guy. I went with a S&W 327 TRR8 so I would have an 8 shot revolver vs a 5 or 6 shot one. Mine is also full sized which means I can use it for other purposes. It's also easy enough to hide.

Sheridan 02-04-2012 07:13 PM

I think this is who your are talking about.

http://www.kahr.com/Kahr-Pistols-Par...r-Products.asp


They hold more pattens for modern innovations in hand guns then anyone right now.

bugsNbows 02-05-2012 06:52 AM

I just picked up a Sig P232. It's a .380 ACP, well built and shoots great. It's easy to disassemble for cleaning and is light weight. It's my preferred BUG at this time. For regular carry, I mostly use a Ruger SP101 (with Trausch grips and XS Big Dot front site) in .357 mag.

OhioNovice 02-07-2012 06:37 PM

I carry a Taurus 606 .357 Mag Revolver. A lot of people bash Taurus but for me it was the most comfortable and best shooting. Ive got well over 1000 rounds without an issue.

I agree with Sfury about the .22, I bught a S&W 22a for plinking and it has been a blast. Plus is dirt cheap so it doesnt cost a lot to get in training. Just remember, its all about muscle memory. When draw you gun you should know where its going to shoot even without aiming. (Atleast that what they tell me in all my self defense shooting classes) I am pretty accurate on a quick draw since Ive been practicing.

scottycoyote 02-08-2012 08:58 AM

youll find as many recommendations as guns made lol, but after 20 years of carrying what works for me is several different guns that i carry in different setups. Weight is important, ive found i dont like guns that weigh much more over 20oz....so I primarily carry a glock 27, a keltecp11, smith&wesson jframe 38, and a taurus milpro45. I always have a keltec32 in my pocket. Those are all great carry guns, and youll find many others out there, sig, hk's (little expensive), kahrs etc.
In searching for a carry gun for my girlfriend we shot a bunch of different guns, and that was my first experince with Kahr's. Lots of people like them, but personally i didnt like how it shoots, the thin frame puts the recoil in a very concentrated spot and its not much fun to shoot. Of course you wont be shooting your carry gun that much probably, just enough to get comfortable with and then every so often to stay in tune, but it still wasnt for her (or me). Hope this helps

bronko22000 02-08-2012 01:24 PM

I carried a Steyr M-40 for years but just last year I switched over to a S&W M&P compact 40. But every once in a while I will carry a 2" 357 revolver of a full sized 1911 .45. Normally though the 1911 is when I am open carry which is legal in PA.

halfbakedi420 02-08-2012 01:38 PM

guess im the only on gonna say glock 27 40cal.

Bible_Man 02-09-2012 07:57 AM

Whatever is easily concealable and comfortable to you. As mentioned earlier, weight is the biggest negative factor in my opinion. My most common carry guns are: 1a) Colt Defender in .45 ACP...all the knockdown you could ask for, yet still light enough not to be cumbersome to me, and 1b) Sig P238...1911 format in .380 ACP...light as it gets, great shooter and you can hide it even if you're out in your boxers.

emtrescue6 02-10-2012 03:13 PM

My wife carries a Kahr CW40 in .40 and loves it! Nice fit and finish, American Made, great trigger and it shoots very nicely. She also has a Kahr CW9 in 9mm that she started on and moved up to the CW40. She loves them both.

I have carried several different guns over the years...Mostly carry my Sig 226 in .40 or my Browning Hi-Power in 40 anymore...but also have a Colt Army in .45, a couple Beretta 92's in 9mm, a Karh CW40 in .40 and a couple others...the Kahr is a great choice IMO.

mr.mc54 02-12-2012 05:56 PM

I bought a S&W .380 Body Guard and love it. It does take a little bit of practice because of the long trigger pull. Once you are used to it, I found it to be a great little pistol. Great for a pocket gun. It is with me every where!:)

Sniper151 03-02-2012 07:15 AM

Walther PPS in 40 S&W and Kimber CDP in 45 cal.

rifle_man 03-02-2012 01:32 PM

Ruger Lc9 for the summer and winter Ruger SR40c

BOWHUNTERCOP 03-03-2012 03:01 AM

see what feels best in your hand. For me I carry a Glock 27

Nomercy448 03-03-2012 08:39 AM

For concealment, less is more.

I've spent a lot of time over the years "packing", and spend a lot of time now instructing ccw classes and handgunner classes. Between my wife and I, we have (and/or have had) a stable of concealable handguns: Kel-Tec P-3AT, Jennings J-22, S&W 60 Ladysmith, Taurus 85 x2, Ruger SP-101 x4 (2 357's, a .32H&R, and a .327Fed), Ruger SRH Alaskan x3 (a .44mag, 480ruger, and a .454), Springfield Micro-Compact 1911, Springfield EMP x2 (9mm and .40), Ruger LCP, Ruger LC9, Ruger SR9c and SR40c (both are my wife's), Wather PPK/S, Kahr PM9, Glock 19, Glock 33, Glock 27, Bersa Thunder, Sig P238, Cobra Derringer, Bond Derringer, HK USP Compact, and a Kimber Ultra Carry II (man, I hope I'm not forgetting anyone!!)

Out of this long list of options, my daily carry is between the Ruger LCP and the LC9. I'll occasionally pack another one along, but these two are my "go-to" choices. (The Kel-Tec P-3AT used to be my "go-to" option, before that, it was a Jennings J-22).

Ultimately, I prioritize two things from my concealed carry pistols: 1) it has to be lightweight and compact, so it's comfortable and easily concealed, and 2) I want as little time and as few steps between "oh $hit" and "bang" as possible. If it isn't easily concealed, I won't carry it every day, and if it takes more than just pulling the trigger to defend myself, I don't carry it (double action, or safe action only for me).

In my experience, anything over 24oz is too heavy, and anything over 5" x 1" x 6.5" is just too hard to conceal comfortably every day. The baby glock is a great weapon, as is the compact 1911, but frankly, they're still too big. Similarly, concealing a Taurus 85, S&W Ladysmith 60, or a Ruger SP-101 (or LCR) is difficult. With this size of weapon, my only REAL option is IWB SOB and an untucked shirt or jacket, which isn't always possible (I'm 5'10" and a lean/muscular 180lbs). My wife's only REAL option for these weapons is in her purse (5' 3" and 125lbs).

The ULTIMATE concealed carry weapon, in my opinion, is the Ruger LCP. Even loaded I'm looking at less weight than a snubnosed revolver, and it's under an inch wide. The Sig 238 is a fantastic weapon, but I am not a fan of single action/manual safety weapons for ccw (see my Priority #2).

Specifically, I really like the Kahr PM9. It's a little thicker than the Ruger single stack LC's, but still very concealable. It's not as comfortable in my hand, but my wife prefers it over the LCP. She does prefer the LC9 grip over the PM9 though.

When guys get "mid-sized" pieces as CC weapons is 1) they either think they need a "battle weapon" with a lot of power, so they replicate what a cop or soldier would carry (different paradigm than civilian CCW), or 2) they want a weapon to pull double duty as a plinker AND a CCW.

Personally, pleasure shooting and CCW demand such different weapons, that I'd never recommend getting 1 weapon for both of these tasks. A great plinker is NOT a good carry weapon, and a good carry weapon is NOT fun to shoot. Buy one in this size class, and I almost guarantee you will end up wanting something smaller for ccw, and something bigger for plinking, and you'll end up leaving it at home in the safe rather than carrying it.

abolt913 03-03-2012 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Nomercy448 (Post 3917646)
For concealment, less is more.

I've spent a lot of time over the years "packing", and spend a lot of time now instructing ccw classes and handgunner classes. Between my wife and I, we have (and/or have had) a stable of concealable handguns: Kel-Tec P-3AT, Jennings J-22, S&W 60 Ladysmith, Taurus 85 x2, Ruger SP-101 x4 (2 357's, a .32H&R, and a .327Fed), Ruger SRH Alaskan x3 (a .44mag, 480ruger, and a .454), Springfield Micro-Compact 1911, Springfield EMP x2 (9mm and .40), Ruger LCP, Ruger LC9, Ruger SR9c and SR40c (both are my wife's), Wather PPK/S, Kahr PM9, Glock 19, Glock 33, Glock 27, Bersa Thunder, Sig P238, Cobra Derringer, Bond Derringer, HK USP Compact, and a Kimber Ultra Carry II (man, I hope I'm not forgetting anyone!!)

Out of this long list of options, my daily carry is between the Ruger LCP and the LC9. I'll occasionally pack another one along, but these two are my "go-to" choices. (The Kel-Tec P-3AT used to be my "go-to" option, before that, it was a Jennings J-22).

Ultimately, I prioritize two things from my concealed carry pistols: 1) it has to be lightweight and compact, so it's comfortable and easily concealed, and 2) I want as little time and as few steps between "oh $hit" and "bang" as possible. If it isn't easily concealed, I won't carry it every day, and if it takes more than just pulling the trigger to defend myself, I don't carry it (double action, or safe action only for me).

In my experience, anything over 24oz is too heavy, and anything over 5" x 1" x 6.5" is just too hard to conceal comfortably every day. The baby glock is a great weapon, as is the compact 1911, but frankly, they're still too big. Similarly, concealing a Taurus 85, S&W Ladysmith 60, or a Ruger SP-101 (or LCR) is difficult. With this size of weapon, my only REAL option is IWB SOB and an untucked shirt or jacket, which isn't always possible (I'm 5'10" and a lean/muscular 180lbs). My wife's only REAL option for these weapons is in her purse (5' 3" and 125lbs).

The ULTIMATE concealed carry weapon, in my opinion, is the Ruger LCP. Even loaded I'm looking at less weight than a snubnosed revolver, and it's under an inch wide. The Sig 238 is a fantastic weapon, but I am not a fan of single action/manual safety weapons for ccw (see my Priority #2).

Specifically, I really like the Kahr PM9. It's a little thicker than the Ruger single stack LC's, but still very concealable. It's not as comfortable in my hand, but my wife prefers it over the LCP. She does prefer the LC9 grip over the PM9 though.

When guys get "mid-sized" pieces as CC weapons is 1) they either think they need a "battle weapon" with a lot of power, so they replicate what a cop or soldier would carry (different paradigm than civilian CCW), or 2) they want a weapon to pull double duty as a plinker AND a CCW.

Personally, pleasure shooting and CCW demand such different weapons, that I'd never recommend getting 1 weapon for both of these tasks. A great plinker is NOT a good carry weapon, and a good carry weapon is NOT fun to shoot. Buy one in this size class, and I almost guarantee you will end up wanting something smaller for ccw, and something bigger for plinking, and you'll end up leaving it at home in the safe rather than carrying it.

Thanks for your info, as of now im carry a sig p239 in a 40 cal , its not to big but is a little heavy, im a big guy and have had no troble concealing it as of now, but I have looked at maybe getting a new pistol this summer , I was going to check out the new springfeild XDS it comes out around aug, or look at a khar or a small glock,

cooper_m22 03-03-2012 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by rifle_man (Post 3917392)
Ruger Lc9 for the summer and winter Ruger SR40c

Rifle man how do you like your sr40c. I love my sr9c. I have been thinking about picking up the sr40c as well.


Originally Posted by Nomercy448 (Post 3917646)
A great plinker is NOT a good carry weapon, and a good carry weapon is NOT fun to shoot. Buy one in this size class, and I almost guarantee you will end up wanting something smaller for ccw, and something bigger for plinking, and you'll end up leaving it at home in the safe rather than carrying it.

true.I love the 1911 but I would not carry it all the time.
The Ruger lcp is a great CCW gun. I have one, but I like a little more power for my main carry weapon.
I use the Ruger LC9 with a good IWB holster. And my LCP with a ankle holster.
But after I get use to my Ruger SR9c more I may carrying it when it is cold outside. And where I live in Montana there can be more day’s cold than warm.

cooper_m22 03-03-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by abolt913 (Post 3917722)
Thanks for your info, as of now im carry a sig p239 in a 40 cal , its not to big but is a little heavy, im a big guy and have had no troble concealing it as of now, but I have looked at maybe getting a new pistol this summer , I was going to check out the new springfeild XDS it comes out around aug, or look at a khar or a small glock,

The sig p239 is a good choice for ccw but as for the Springfield and the khar and glock. I have found they leave a print more than any other brand. I have a little hobby up here at the shooting range I try to pick out people CCW I have found that 9 out of 10 people I can pick out are packing has a Glock or a Springfield or a Khar.
I have found that people ccw Ruger, S&W, Sig, or Kimber solo and the Beretta nano are the hardest to pick out.
I would try carrying one of my full size 1911 over a Glock or a Springfield. Don’t get me wrong I have a Glock 27 and a Glock 23 and a XDm 3.8 comp 9mm, they are all good handguns but not good CCW guns to me.

batchief909 03-03-2012 05:24 PM

I carry a Colt Pony Pocketlite .380 Great little gun!

Nomercy448 03-05-2012 07:22 AM

Given appropriate attire, a guy can conceal a 12ga shotgun, but that doesn't make it a great choice.

I have holsters to conceal pretty much everything on that entire list, and I have on many occasions left the house with a Ruger SRH Alaskan or a full sized 1911 tucked strategically at the small of my back, but it's WAY less convenient than a micro-pistol.

I'm also a big fan of the LC9 for just a touch more stopping power. It's also a lot easier to shoot than the micro pistols like the LCP, just for the extra half inch of grip (less muzzle jump as well). The only down side is that somewhere between the LCP and the LC9 is the breaking point for "concealability". I can literally carry an LCP while jogging shirtless in nothing but gym-shorts with a draw string. Drop it in my pocket and it's no more visible than an Iphone. The LC9 is JUST big enough that the grip protrudes a little too much for a pocket gun, so I almost always carry it IWB SOB or FOH.

Variety is the spice of life, and obviously, I haven't forced myself to commit to just ONE CCW option, but after packing a Glock 19 for a few years then switching to a Kel-Tec P-3AT (since replaced by the Ruger LCP), it's like night and day for convenience and comfort.

If I wore a vest/jacket/un-tucked shirt every day, my first choice would be a Ruger SP-101 .357mag, but that's not the world I live in, so I picked ONE that would suit EVERY attire (Ruger LCP). On days I have a chance to wear "winter clothes", I occasionally carry a bigger piece, but more often, I just carry the LCP out of habit.

Nobody is going to argue with a 380acp at 5-10ft, and you're hard pressed to justify that your life is in danger if an attacker is 20yrds away, so power factor for me is moot. I also DO have a few coyote skins taken with a Walther PPK/S that would argue that the .380acp isn't underpowered at 25-50yrds.

RobertSubnet 03-05-2012 01:25 PM

I have to agree with Nomercy about what makes a good CCW gun that you will actually carry.

Life is full of trade-offs. What will make a good CCW pistol (lite weight, small, etc) will also make the pistol unpleasant to shoot. But then again a CCW pistol is not going to be a plinker/range hose either.

Good luck with your choice.

abolt913 03-08-2012 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by RobertSubnet (Post 3918302)
I have to agree with Nomercy about what makes a good CCW gun that you will actually carry.

Life is full of trade-offs. What will make a good CCW pistol (lite weight, small, etc) will also make the pistol unpleasant to shoot. But then again a CCW pistol is not going to be a plinker/range hose either.

Good luck with your choice.

Im now carrying the sig p239 and so far its been pretty eaisey to carry , I dont find it to heavey and I am wearing it out side the waist around 4 o clock , and able to cover it up with light jacket .

Nomercy448 03-23-2012 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by abolt913 (Post 3919214)
Im now carrying the sig p239 and so far its been pretty eaisey to carry , I dont find it to heavey and I am wearing it out side the waist around 4 o clock , and able to cover it up with light jacket .

This is my point...

Sure, carrying under a light jacket might work 9months out of the year in certain parts of the country, but what about the other 2-3months out of each year? Or what about other areas of the country? For myself living in Kansas, heading outside any time between April 1 and October 1 might mean sweating, so wearing a jacket ANY time during those 6months is out of the question.

So how do you carry the P239 when it's 85degrees or higher outside? I'm genuinely asking, because in my experience, successfully concealing a mid-size to full size sidearm in a polo and khaki's or a T-shirt and jeans is a prohibitively challenging task.

No, I'm not a fan of the .380acp, and no, placing shots with tiny pocket pistols isn't easy, but I DO have the luxury of carrying the same weapon whether I'm jogging in nothing but a pair of shorts, or wearing a sportcoat, or wearing a parka.

abolt913 03-23-2012 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Nomercy448 (Post 3923794)
This is my point...

Sure, carrying under a light jacket might work 9months out of the year in certain parts of the country, but what about the other 2-3months out of each year? Or what about other areas of the country? For myself living in Kansas, heading outside any time between April 1 and October 1 might mean sweating, so wearing a jacket ANY time during those 6months is out of the question.

So how do you carry the P239 when it's 85degrees or higher outside? I'm genuinely asking, because in my experience, successfully concealing a mid-size to full size sidearm in a polo and khaki's or a T-shirt and jeans is a prohibitively challenging task.

No, I'm not a fan of the .380acp, and no, placing shots with tiny pocket pistols isn't easy, but I DO have the luxury of carrying the same weapon whether I'm jogging in nothing but a pair of shorts, or wearing a sportcoat, or wearing a parka.

I have had no problem ccw my p239 sig outside holster under my t-shirt or light button dress shirt, with a high on the hip holster, but I am looking to get a IWB holster for really hot summer condition, its been like 80 in wis and so far no problems concealing the gun, remember Im about 6ft 300lbs and wear 3xL shirts that hang longer than a tight shirt , .

VAhuntr 03-24-2012 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Nomercy448 (Post 3923794)
This is my point...

Sure, carrying under a light jacket might work 9months out of the year in certain parts of the country, but what about the other 2-3months out of each year? Or what about other areas of the country? For myself living in Kansas, heading outside any time between April 1 and October 1 might mean sweating, so wearing a jacket ANY time during those 6months is out of the question.

So how do you carry the P239 when it's 85degrees or higher outside? I'm genuinely asking, because in my experience, successfully concealing a mid-size to full size sidearm in a polo and khaki's or a T-shirt and jeans is a prohibitively challenging task.

No, I'm not a fan of the .380acp, and no, placing shots with tiny pocket pistols isn't easy, but I DO have the luxury of carrying the same weapon whether I'm jogging in nothing but a pair of shorts, or wearing a sportcoat, or wearing a parka.


You have to dress around you CC piece. I have concealed a Beretta 96 during the summer in Virginia, wearing t-shirts and hiking type shorts. It was not the most comfortable thing but it served its purpose until I could afford something better. A good quality belt and holster will make things much easier.

I now carry a Glock 27 in a Bianchi Carry Lok holster(OWB) with a Wilderness tactical belt. The holster cants the pistol forward slightly, tucks it close to your body, and it rides high. The belt is sturdy enough to keep the weight of the Glock from sagging your pants or shorts to one side. I normally wear 2XL polo shirts or t-shirts with this combo. I have worn this for 12 to 16 hours straight without problems and have also done this while driving.

IMO the inside the pants holsters are much better at concealing but they are not very comfortable for me.

RobertSubnet 03-25-2012 07:57 AM


IMO the inside the pants holsters are much better at concealing but they are not very comfortable for me.
They are. And I do not think they are comfortable for anybody:)

Here in Phoenix Arizona I carry a Beretta Tomcat. It is small enough so that it is easily concealed even in our hottest weather - read wearing the least/lightest clothes.

VAhuntr 03-25-2012 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by RobertSubnet (Post 3924082)
They are. And I do not think they are comfortable for anybody:)

Here in Phoenix Arizona I carry a Beretta Tomcat. It is small enough so that it is easily concealed even in our hottest weather - read wearing the least/lightest clothes.

The Tomcats are nice little pistols. I have come close a few times to buying one of the KelTec P3AT's or the Ruger LCP. I have also considered a Kahr PM40 but a friend has had some problems with his. So for now, I like and trust my Glock 27.


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