7mm-08
12-08-2011, 08:58 AM
#42
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Southern TN
Posts: 1,018
That's kinda what I am getting at. If long range isn't going to be a common thing, just pick a rifle that you like and that fits you well. And, I was only comparing two calibers...the 270 and the 30-06. I don't have the knowledge of most on here, and I am certain that you have a greater knowledge than do I concerning this topic, but I do know that I have shot deer with these two calibers between 20-200 yards with no difference in performance. Bench shooting, you may run into differences, but when hunting at average distances, it ain't gonna matter. I believe we are on the same page.
12-08-2011, 03:49 PM
#43
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
I have a 270 and with a 130gr. Speer boattail, it has a b.c. of..449 at the max load listed by Speer it is shooting 3000fps. With a 200 yard zero it drops 40" at 500 yards and has 8.89ftlbs per grain of bullet at 500 yards, which is 1155.7ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Now the 7-08 shooting a 139gr. Hornady has a b.c. of.486 and is listed as a max load of 2900fps. With a 200 yard zero it has 41.7" of drop at 500 yards and it has 8.84ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight at 500 yards which comes to 1228.76 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Not enough difference between the two to make a difference at 500 yards, the 270 shoots a whole 1.7"s flatter but doesnt have the down range energy that the 7-08 has. personally I think the 7-08 is a better hunting round than the 270 but I perfer the 280 over both.
Now the 7-08 shooting a 139gr. Hornady has a b.c. of.486 and is listed as a max load of 2900fps. With a 200 yard zero it has 41.7" of drop at 500 yards and it has 8.84ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight at 500 yards which comes to 1228.76 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Not enough difference between the two to make a difference at 500 yards, the 270 shoots a whole 1.7"s flatter but doesnt have the down range energy that the 7-08 has. personally I think the 7-08 is a better hunting round than the 270 but I perfer the 280 over both.
12-10-2011, 03:43 AM
#44
Spike
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 20
7mm-08
i have a remington model 7 , stainless, synthetic, topped with a leopald silver 3.5 to 10 power vx- 111. it is an awesome set up ,and the caliber is extremly accurate, low recoil, and drops white tails like they got hit by lightning.
12-10-2011, 11:08 AM
#45
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
fritz, your loads mean nothing, cause they don't make sense, first your comparing different bullet form factors, speer bullets are not nearly as streamlined as hornadys, so your crippleing the 270 outta the gate with a speer bullet.
next, your claiming the 7/08 as to be only 100 fps behind the 270 even though not only does the 270 have 20% more case capacity, but its rated to a higher pressure by saami specs, those may be the results of your loads but definately not a true comparison of the 2 cartridges.I've chronied both cartridges, did the comparisons with real world data and the 270 will come out on top every time at 500 yards, if they are both loaded with 500 yard shooting in mind.
RR
edited to add: the speer BT is an ok bullet, however, the max MV for the 270 is not 3000 fps, its over 3100, there are no less than 4 powders listed on the hodgdons website that achieve over 3100 fps with max loads. load the 270 up to its potential and it drops 5+" less than the 08 at 500 yards, like I said nothing to worry about for normal hunting but the difference is there if ya ever need it.
next, your claiming the 7/08 as to be only 100 fps behind the 270 even though not only does the 270 have 20% more case capacity, but its rated to a higher pressure by saami specs, those may be the results of your loads but definately not a true comparison of the 2 cartridges.I've chronied both cartridges, did the comparisons with real world data and the 270 will come out on top every time at 500 yards, if they are both loaded with 500 yard shooting in mind.
RR
edited to add: the speer BT is an ok bullet, however, the max MV for the 270 is not 3000 fps, its over 3100, there are no less than 4 powders listed on the hodgdons website that achieve over 3100 fps with max loads. load the 270 up to its potential and it drops 5+" less than the 08 at 500 yards, like I said nothing to worry about for normal hunting but the difference is there if ya ever need it.
The 7mm Speer 145gr. has a b.c. of .502 and a muzzle velocity of 2933 loaded with 51grs. of RL19. It drops 41" at 500 yards and has 9.13ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1323.85 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Now the 270 using a 130gr Speer boatail has a b.c. of .449 and a muzzle velocity of 3117 loaded with 64grs. of H1000. It drops 37.1 at 500 yards and has 9.6ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1248 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
This is a close comparison with like bullets. The 270 is less than 4" flatter at 500 yards but does not have the energy of the 7-08. Like you said and I said, not enough to make any difference in a hunting gun, where most hunting shots are under 300 yards. 4" isnt much, especially at 500 yards, this is less than a beer can and with a hunting rifle and in a hunting situation the average hunter cant even hit a beer can at 500 yards, so to me a 270 has no advantage what so ever over a 7-08 out to 500 yards, matter of fact it doesnt even have the energy that the 7-08 has out at that distance.
12-10-2011, 01:32 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: central and east texas
Posts: 4,894
You are right RR. I used Hornady to compare because Speer doesnt list a 140 for the 7mm, but does list a 145gr. boattail, so lets compare that with the .277 130gr. Speer boattail.
The 7mm Speer 145gr. has a b.c. of .502 and a muzzle velocity of 2933 loaded with 51grs. of RL19. It drops 41" at 500 yards and has 9.13ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1323.85 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Now the 270 using a 130gr Speer boatail has a b.c. of .449 and a muzzle velocity of 3117 loaded with 64grs. of H1000. It drops 37.1 at 500 yards and has 9.6ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1248 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
This is a close comparison with like bullets. The 270 is less than 4" flatter at 500 yards but does not have the energy of the 7-08. Like you said and I said, not enough to make any difference in a hunting gun, where most hunting shots are under 300 yards. 4" isnt much, especially at 500 yards, this is less than a beer can and with a hunting rifle and in a hunting situation the average hunter cant even hit a beer can at 500 yards, so to me a 270 has no advantage what so ever over a 7-08 out to 500 yards, matter of fact it doesnt even have the energy that the 7-08 has out at that distance.
The 7mm Speer 145gr. has a b.c. of .502 and a muzzle velocity of 2933 loaded with 51grs. of RL19. It drops 41" at 500 yards and has 9.13ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1323.85 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
Now the 270 using a 130gr Speer boatail has a b.c. of .449 and a muzzle velocity of 3117 loaded with 64grs. of H1000. It drops 37.1 at 500 yards and has 9.6ftlbs of energy per grain of bullet weight, which comes out to 1248 ftlbs of energy at 500 yards.
This is a close comparison with like bullets. The 270 is less than 4" flatter at 500 yards but does not have the energy of the 7-08. Like you said and I said, not enough to make any difference in a hunting gun, where most hunting shots are under 300 yards. 4" isnt much, especially at 500 yards, this is less than a beer can and with a hunting rifle and in a hunting situation the average hunter cant even hit a beer can at 500 yards, so to me a 270 has no advantage what so ever over a 7-08 out to 500 yards, matter of fact it doesnt even have the energy that the 7-08 has out at that distance.
12-27-2011, 08:16 PM
#47
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Baileysville, WV
Posts: 2,925
Flip a coin... pick a cartridge... put the bullet where its supposed to go and start dragging... This aint rocket science.. theres no magic pill. The only magic comes from the shooter hitting where hes supposed to hit. Anything from a 17 to a 700NE will work...
12-28-2011, 10:06 AM
#48
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Indiana county, Pa
Posts: 679
Pa, the 7mm-08 is a good caliber for deer here in Pa. just dont load it with heavy bullets as it has a tendancy to go right through a deer. try using bullets around the 130 grain and it will do the job. as others have said the recoil is managable and wont knock you around. i like remington rifles best but thats my choice.
12-29-2011, 09:20 AM
#49
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 76
I bought one for my grandson last year to go caribou hunting he got two bou with it one was 197yd droped like a rock!! good shot for a 13yr old off hand! also got two deer with it this year, i reload for it 154gr sp hornady the gun is a stevens model 200
(savage) so i think you will like it for MOST game, good luck and hunting.
(savage) so i think you will like it for MOST game, good luck and hunting.
12-30-2011, 03:32 PM
#50
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: missouri
Posts: 305
I have both calibers with the 7mm-08 being my favorite by far one thing to consider for people who do not reload is the cost of factory ammo 7mm-08 remington corelokt is $27-$30 per box and the same for 270 is $16-$20 per box just some food for thought. chad
