New Gun Already Shot?
 

Purchased a rifle today and noticed a little bit of copper fouling in the barrel. I figured they probly shoot all guns before they go out on the market??? Is this normal?

I know of some guns for sure that are test fired before leaving the factory. I would hope that all of them are...anyways, I would also hope that they would clean them spotless.

im not real sure what your talking about?

I've always been told that once a gun is shot it ceases to be "new"

you guys really arent tellin me what i wanna hear :s14: I coulda bought one used for about 200 dollars cheaper but i bought this one brand new (or so i thought) I dont beleive a business like that would beable to sell me a used gun and say it was brand new.........

Ive never bought a new rifle that had any copper fouling in it. I run patches through them before I take them to the range. what brand /model is it?

I believe he means a bullet cannot be shot through a rifle without evidence of it having done so. So, there is "evidence" that this rifle has been shot before. I wouldn't expect a new rifle having been test-fired to have fouling of any sort left on it in a noticeable amount.

Its a remington model 7600 .308..........gota say used or not she shoots pretty nice!

It sounds like they test fired it and weren't smart enough to remove the copper fouling before shipping it out.

Most all firearms are test fired before being shipped. A manufacturer would be stupid not to do so.

Every single hand gun sold in the United states is fired before it is shipped and you get the spent case in a sealed envelope when you buy the gun.

all new guns have 1 round put thru it for the federal goverment. so if you shoot someone then they already have a bullet shot thru your weapon to compare it to.

Ndncreek, I think you have been reading to many "urban myths".

Handguns are shot and the spent case is included with the gun to turn in to the local enforcement agency if the law requires it. Has nothing to do with the bullet.

each gun has it's own finger print being the bullet. no 2 guns shoot and leave the same markings on the bullet. therefore like you being finger printed all new guns sold have a bullet shot out of it for the ATF which is your guns finger print. also you recieve the spent shell casing in a baggie and they get the spent bullet. ask your local law enforcement if you don't believe me

relentless pursuit just curious as to who you are calling HER?

All guns are proof fired with a higher that standard pressure proof load at the factory before they are boxed and shipped. This is to make sure that there are no unseen problems that would result in the gun blowing up the first time you shoot it. Proofing is standard practice for all smokeless arms in the U.S. and Europe. Some manufacturers even shoot a group with each rifle to test the accuracy and send the target with the rifle. If you use the standard that a fired gun is a used gun, then all smokeless cartridge arms are used before they ever hit their shipping box. Muzzleloaders, on the other hand, go to the consumer unfired. The only exception being the Savage 10ML-II, but it is the exception as Savage Arms voluntarily chooses to proof fire them but is under no specific obligation to do so.

Mike

I do believe your mistaken, I live in the People's Republic of New Jersey. The firearms laws are only 1/2 a step less draconian than California. There is no requirement that the bullet be supplied to the police. That would be the same thing as establishing a database of gun owners. Which is illegal in all 50 states. Not to mention the fact that it would be worthless if any changes had been made to the firearm.

With the Remington 710 that I bought new years ago there was even documentation with it that said that it had been test fired before being shipped. The same with the Springfield XD that I bought.

SORRY MY BAD i checked with my local police dept. and they said that the firearms makers only test fire and DO NOT send the spent bullet to the FEDS, again my bad...

I know they test fire, but I have NEVER heard of copper fouling in the barrel at the time of purchase. I'm thinking your local shop owner let somebody test fire the rifle. I would shoot it once then run a patch through the bore. see how blue it turns. most new factory barrels foul pretty bad for the first few shots during barrel break in, then they take longer and longer before they become fouled. not a foolproof method but you may get an idea. then again if its a real shooter and the throat and rifling look new you may be better off to keep it as you might get an unfired gun that won't group.

Do you know those manufactures that include the target with the 1" MOA guarantee, we all think so highly of ?


Which gun do you think the target should come from ?


Now, you would think they would clean the barrel up a little better afterwards !

Most remingtons, bushies, winchesters, savages, rugers, TC's, knights, Smiths, berrettas you name it I have bought had a bunch of cosmoline or creosote in them, no copper fouling. But I bought a new Sako 75 about 5 years ago, and had all kinds of copper fouling. Called the guns shop and he said it was from test firing.

Its been a good gun, but first time I cleaned out all that copper.

If this had a chance to be accurate can you even imagine how busy 'shotguns' would keep the feds.

I believe it's a Federal law that gunmakers must test fire all guns before shipment and put proof marks on them. I know Ruger and I'm sure most other Mfgs use a special test ammo that is loaded to higher pressures then what's available to the general public.
My thinking it's possible the higher pressure cause more copper fouling.

first shot through a factory barrel with any ammo causes a good bit of fouling but I wouldn't think that fouling would make it to the customer

ive never, ever seen copper fouling in a bore from a NEW gun....

not to say one couldnt slip through....but other key places to look...magazine (brass rubs off often times) feed ramp, bolt face, bolt etc...

i carry a flashlight...hard to inspect a gun without one if you cant break it down...

the shop owner told me my 7600 i just bought was new...it looked new but ive seen 50yo guns look new too...but i had to run the flashlight over it...he looked at me like i was nuts....but i determined it was new...key give away is usually factory grease in the action and such...and no fouling anywhere..

also, without a box and manual and everything that is supposed to be in that box, i will not pay NEW prices...thats the thing about buying a new gun...you can go down the road and get the same gun for right about the same price...its easy to pass off a really clean gun as new...i could still sell my 7600 as NIB...but ive had over 50rds through her...only thing that might get me is my base might have put marks on the reciever...

gotta be careful when buying guns...they dont have an odometer like a car..

I cleaned 2 "new" rifles this week to get the oil & grease out of the barrel before shooting.

One was a stainless Marlin .308 express and it only took a few patches to get clean.

The other was a Savage stainless fluted in .308 and it was alot dirtier on the inside, probably 8-10 patches to get clean.

No copper fouling though.....