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The next big thing!!
What do you guys think the industry will try an dump on us this year? We've seen WSM,WSSM,RSUM and Ruger compact magnums. The 300 WSM seems to have done well here with a slite fallowing of 270 WSM. The WSSM was a flop across the board and we haven't even seen a Ruger compact mangnum or the 338 Federal. I have a 270 WSM and like it. It shoots well but, doesn't give a big enough boost over the 270 win. That i would have traded one to get it. Whats next?
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RE: The next big thing!!
I dont know whats next but i love my 300 WSM.
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Who knows. And I don't know what they are doing to this new propellant to give these 'small' cases the same MV as the old reliables like the 338 Win Mag. and 300 Win Mag with similar pressures.
I think if they made this propellant available to the public you could probably get pertty close to these same ballistics out of your bolt action 308. Can you imagine something like a bolt action 358 win with this new powder. With - say - 25% increase in MV/Eng without any increase in pressure? That would be one heck of a round. |
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ORIGINAL: bronko22000 Who knows. And I don't know what they are doing to this new propellant to give these 'small' cases the same MV as the old reliables like the 338 Win Mag. and 300 Win Mag with similar pressures. I think if they made this propellant available to the public you could probably get pertty close to these same ballistics out of your bolt action 308. Can you imagine something like a bolt action 358 win with this new powder. With - say - 25% increase in MV/Eng without any increase in pressure? That would be one heck of a round. |
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Right now, I'm not so much concerned about what the "industry" may dump on us as what the upcoming election could DUMP on us....
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Maybe a big push back to the lever action guns? They are already making a good comeback so maybe they will capitalize on that? Just my guess...
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A HUGE a-men to that!
ORIGINAL: Pawildman Right now, I'm not so much concerned about what the "industry" may dump on us as what the upcoming election could DUMP on us.... |
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Vote Obama?? - NO WAY
And if I were to choose, I'd much rather share a sleeping bag with Palin than Bitten. |
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I'd rather see some classics come back. The game animals haven't gotten tougher hides and the range targets could care if it's a .22lr or a .50 BMG. Don't need any more whix-bang cartridges, all the niches have been filled and then some. Rather than putting out new cartridges, how bout offering new models in which to use the existing cartridges in.
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Depends on who wins the election. If boracoly wins they will be selling fancy new sling shots.
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I always enjoyed shooting a slingshot!
Just wonder if Brock has already started figuring out how he plans to put a 500% tax on slingshot ammo. [:-] |
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I have not gotten caught up in the "new cartridge" craze though I did have a Model 70 in 300 WSM for a short period of time. I frankly cannot see the draw to these expensive, relatively difficult to find cartridges. I have the old standby's ... 30/06 Spr., 308 Win., 300 Win. Mag. That is all I need ... though I do have rifles in 358 Win., 6.5x55 SE, and 444 Marlin.
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I know some will disagree, but I still think there is a magic caliber out there that will cleanly take deer and elk without taking your shoulder off....that's what id like to see...something on the order of a 257 Weatherby but maybe in a 27 or 28 caliber...something that can send a 150 gr to 180 lead pill downrange at 3200fps with no more than a 1 inch drop at every 100 yards past 200...lol..i know, i might as well ask for a laser gun....seriously though, i think were gonna continue to see more and more classics get revamped and called new..like the 30tc....basically a 308 with different unavailable powder...
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ive always been a fan of the 350 rem mag myself. still not real popular but everyone who has one it seems would give it up for anything....ide take it over any of the newer hard angle short mags any day
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I am still waiting on the 358RUM. ;)
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ORIGINAL: bigbulls I am still waiting on the 358RUM. ;)  ..... |
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you know what i think is the next big thing, the revival of the .284! it doesnt kick hard, it doesnt heat up as fast as the wsm rounds, its much more accurate, its got plenty enough smack for and n. american animal, its everything we are asking for from the wsm round with a cheaper price and lower recoil. its just a matter of a good rivival rifle built completly around the 284
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All I know is you couldn't get MY browning a-bolt .284 for love or money-an act of congress can't even make me part with it. My buddy feels the same way about his .284 full custom I built just for him also.
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Enhanced optics, laser rangefinding scopes at very cheap prices. Lots of gadgets (ie the Buttout Tool), more miracle bullets, more recoil reducing gadgets, more camo ..........
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How about a .25 caliber lever action from Marlington? I have heard the 250 Marlin Express is in the R&D phase.
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I would like to see Savage and Hornady team up to produce a 223 class cartrige that could handle 80 gr plus bullets, maybe even 23 caliber and chamber the new model 25 rifle in it.
I have the classic and it is awsome but I would like just a little more bullet for white tails. |
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Probably a .1071 BangFlop Super Duper Magnum :)
12,000 FPS & 21,548Ft Lbs. :D |
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I'm not into magnums, so I'll leave that bang-flop whatchamacallit for you to use down there in Florida.
If I can't kill it with my 45/70, 30/06, 308,270,243,223,44 mag or a few more I will not piss it off to begin with. |
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The new and improved Night-time Portable Stand (NPS).
No need to use that old portable stand that you actually had to move from one location to the other during the daylight hours. Get the new and improved NPS. It's allows the mover to gain an entirely new approach to moving portable stands. You can now move them at night with the aid of a built in flashlight. Don't be the only one in your area sleeping peacefully during the night when you could be out moving your portable stand at 2 in the morning with all of your good ol' hunting buddies. Be the first in your area to grab up one of these never before seen advances in hunting technology. Purchase now and get 2 free double-A batteries to go with your piece of junk flashlight. Offer not valid without purchase of dunce hat. Please, no COD's |
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Gangly:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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know some will disagree, but I still think there is a magic caliber out there that will cleanly take deer and elk without taking your shoulder off.... |
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The new and improved Night-time Portable Stand (NPS). No need to use that old portable stand that you actually had to move from one location to the other during the daylight hours. Get the new and improved NPS. It's allows the mover to gain an entirely new approach to moving portable stands. You can now move them at night with the aid of a built in flashlight. Don't be the only one in your area sleeping peacefully during the night when you could be out moving your portable stand at 2 in the morning with all of your good ol' hunting buddies. Be the first in your area to grab up one of these never before seen advances in hunting technology. Purchase now and get 2 free double-A batteries to go with your piece of junk flashlight. Offer not valid without purchase of dunce hat. Please, no COD's  Gangly you must have read the same article I did. What a joke. |
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ORIGINAL: Father Forkhorn know some will disagree, but I still think there is a magic caliber out there that will cleanly take deer and elk without taking your shoulder off.... |
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So a whole 7 thousandths of an inch makes the 280 a real performer over the .270huh?
but sooner or later were gonna have to get out of the box and make something even more adaptable...people We already have every conceivable bullet diameter and velocity covered that can be shot from a portableshoulder fired gun. Pushing a bulletat "X" velocity from case design "A" is the same as pushing that same bullet at the same velocity from case desigh "B". What is there to adapt? You said so yourself about the 30TC essentially being a .308 Win. with different powders. Oh, except that it is suppose to achieve the velocity of the 30-06.I guess they adapted their powders huh? ;) |
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As much as I love my 280 I can't honestly say that there is enough difference between it and a 270 that anyone would ever notice.
If you want more energy at longer ranges with similar recoil , you need to increase the caliber and weight of the bullet. For instance, a 338-06 shoots a 200gr bullet at similar velocity and tragectory as a 30-06 shoots a 180gr bullet and with simliar recoil but the 338 bullet will hit harder when it gets there. |
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ORIGINAL: bigbulls So a whole 7 thousandths of an inch makes the 280 a real performer over the .270huh? but sooner or later were gonna have to get out of the box and make something even more adaptable...people We already have every conceivable bullet diameter and velocity covered that can be shot from a portableshoulder fired gun. Pushing a bulletat "X" velocity from case design "A" is the same as pushing that same bullet at the same velocity from case desigh "B". What is there to adapt? You said so yourself about the 30TC essentially being a .308 Win. with different powders. Oh, except that it is suppose to achieve the velocity of the 30-06.I guess they adapted their powders huh? ;) Look, im not looking to pick fights on here or stir up the pot, but poke me and i'll not sit idly by. |
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ORIGINAL: popeye As much as I love my 280 I can't honestly say that there is enough difference between it and a 270 that anyone would ever notice. If you want more energy at longer ranges with similar recoil , you need to increase the caliber and weight of the bullet. For instance, a 338-06 shoots a 200gr bullet at similar velocity and tragectory as a 30-06 shoots a 180gr bullet and with simliar recoil but the 338 bullet will hit harder when it gets there. |
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I am not poking you. Meerly having a conversation about this stuff and trying to understand your reasoning behind your statements.
I know they adapted their powder... that's why I said they did. And yes, 7 thousands of an inchcan make a difference, especially when you consider the other factors that go into cartridge developement, like case design. Consider the wsm's, wssm's, and the saum's...they didnt even change caliber, just case design. What you are wanting isn't possible. You can't fire a 180 grain, 30 caliberbullet at 3000 fps and expect it to recoil like a .243. Aside from the powder charge weightbeing a very very minor factor in recoil, the physics is a simple as it gets. Fire a given weight bullet at a given velocity and you will have a specific ammount of recoil. Change the design of the case all you want, orget rid ofit all together, but it isn't going to change the recoil of the rifle assuming the use of the same rifle. The 338-06 firing a 200 grain bullet at the same velocity as a 30-06 firing a 180 grain bullet WILL have more recoil than the 30-06. I think that bullet design has come quite a long ways in the recent years. Bullets like the Barnes, North Fork, TBBCT, XP3, etc... have allowed hunters to shoot lighter weight bullets than previous and expect the same or evenbetter performance as the much heavier lead bullets of years past. |
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ORIGINAL: bigbulls I am not poking you. Meerly having a conversation about this stuff and trying to understand your reasoning behind your statements. I know they adapted their powder... that's why I said they did. And yes, 7 thousands of an inchcan make a difference, especially when you consider the other factors that go into cartridge developement, like case design. Consider the wsm's, wssm's, and the saum's...they didnt even change caliber, just case design. What you are wanting isn't possible. You can't fire a 180 grain, 30 caliberbullet at 3000 fps and expect it to recoil like a .243. Aside from the powder charge weightbeing a very very minor factor in recoil, the physics is a simple as it gets. Fire a given weight bullet at a given velocity and you will have a specific ammount of recoil. Change the design of the case all you want, orget rid ofit all together, but it isn't going to change the recoil of the rifle assuming the use of the same rifle. The 338-06 firing a 200 grain bullet at the same velocity as a 30-06 firing a 180 grain bullet WILL have more recoil than the 30-06. I think that bullet design has come quite a long ways in the recent years. Bullets like the Barnes, North Fork, TBBCT, XP3, etc... have allowed hunters to shoot lighter weight bullets than previous and expect the same or evenbetter performance as the much heavier lead bullets of years past. I know what i want doesn't seem to be possible...physics and all, whichwill never really be simple, but by the same token, many things that are possible today were not possible even 10 years ago...its not that we change the laws of physics, we just learn how to better manipulate them...that was my point when with my original post..that I would like to see something like this as the next big thing vs laundry detergent that makes camoflage not glow or gumoflage 2.0 or treestands with built in flashlight.... |
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Maybe Barret will design a 50 cal hunting rifle with wheels to carry it's 35 lb weight. This way it will be possible to shoot elk at 1500 yds and no one will have to hunt anymore! Just drive around untill you spot one and roll it out and shoot, But the hunting bullets will need to be filled with salt just to prevent the carcass from spoiling while you attempt to reach it.:D:D:D:D
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ORIGINAL: bronko22000 Who knows. And I don't know what they are doing to this new propellant to give these 'small' cases the same MV as the old reliables like the 338 Win Mag. and 300 Win Mag with similar pressures. I think if they made this propellant available to the public you could probably get pertty close to these same ballistics out of your bolt action 308. Can you imagine something like a bolt action 358 win with this new powder. With - say - 25% increase in MV/Eng without any increase in pressure? That would be one heck of a round. Some of it has to do with the shorter geometry of the cases, they are slightly more efficient. Nothing you do to a 308 will make it into a 300 WSM. And few people are truly able to get the 300 WSM up to exactly the velocity of a regular 300WM, it's usually about 100 fps short. |
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