Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

So apparently winchester rifles are back! and why they don't offer the .375H&H illudes me, mass marketing?

Just my opinion but the model 70 is ideal dangerous game action, one of the main reasons I want a winchester in the first place, great action built for an african rifle.....and I don't forsee them chambering a .416 or .458, so at least a .375, and cmon a .375H&H has to be more popular than a .416 or .458.

And btw just in case they are thinking of a 416 or 458, they should make it a .416 Ruger, and a .458 Lott, please no .458 win mag.

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

Better yet a .416 Taylor! FL size .458 brass and and get .416 Rigby power in a shorter case.400gr at 2400fps.................................Harold

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

Maybe their tooling to offer the 375 RCM....:D

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It is not the ideal dangerous game action in a bolt a square bridge mauser built for that action length is superior to the model 70, it will have larger dimensions and handle that cartridge length correctly. With a model 70 you are using the same action as what would be used with an 06 just bolt stop and magazine modified. A fellow that goes to my gunsmith has every DGR 70 ever made in 375,458, 416 Remington(as per him the 416 is totally unreliable in that action.) An ideal DGR would be a Double rifle.


I think the fact the 375RCM can be used in a standard action length Ruger and will be cheaperwill keep WInchester from making many 375's.

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

I do know the .416 rem I think had some jamming problems back in the day, really not a fan of the .416 rem, but a the .375H&H and .458 Lott are clear choices,

The .375 Ruger, and a .416 Ruger would be a great round I think.

I'd be surprised if they offered anything over .375, I just really want a model 70 in .375, the fact that they don't offer one is kinda surprising to me. I know probably way more guys want 300's, but the model 70 action is a great reason to buy a big game cartridge.....ie .375

and of course a double rifle is the way to go......course I'm not sure how many guys are willing to go from $1500 to $15,000! for a cheap double? only alternative is a mauser 98, or model 70 action ....so for now a bolt action will have to do......not ready for that double just yet.

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The Model 70 action has a proven track record of performancewith African game cartridges. But if you want new and mauser claw extractor and have an extra $3,000.00this looks pretty sweet.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/africa-alaska/8400_caprivi/79/

The 458 lottrecoil in an 8.5 pound gun might not make it all day shooter at the range though.

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

Depends on the cartridge Scot not many have been chambered in 416 Rigby have they among others?You fail to grasp that it is a standard action that is used to chamber oversize rounds just like the overpriced Kimber that also has a standard action. I'll give you a list of Actions that one can buy over the counter that will work with all big game African cartridges and that doesn't cost over 1000 dollars. CZ 550 Safari Magnum and a Ruger RSM

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Old elk I understood your point in the first post with regard to action length not being ideal in your opinion. I just was stating thatdespite its length it has been proven reliable on many hunts by many hunters for many years.Was neverreally saying it is "the best"

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

Scene it,

looks ok, though the ruger, and the cz fancy grade both look nicer IMO.

though that Dakota is looking really sweet.

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Standard length action vs. longer actions, ie .375h&h?

Less you're modifying an older action/rifle, who cares? many rifle makers chamber the .375H&H so whats the matter if its a longer action?

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You were not but the original poster claimed it was ideal

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

The idea is that there are greater clearances for feeding and ejecting rounds which should improve feeding reliability. As you can tell from my last posts I would have no reservations with the 70 pre 64, or the classic action. In fact if you do asearch on "dangerous game rifle" you will see the 70 mentioned over and over again in various magazine articles as a good action for that purpose.

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

model 70 pre 64? classic?

what version are they producing currently? what was the most recent version when they were producing .375h&h rifles?

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

They were producing 375's untilright before they closed the doors. They aren't producing anything currently and the re-done models will be available late summer or early fall at the earliest.

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun_inventory/inventory/rogers/win_rifle/688968_big5_rog.jsp?hierarchyId=11931

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In Sweden they did a hunter survey on cartridges used in the annual moose hunt and they found the animals didn't die any quicker or travel any farther with the big bores.375H+H [was mentioned] or the 6.5x55 for that matter.No surprise bullet placement was more important.............Harold

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That's all well and good. I hope all of your shots are perfect in your hunting career. If you ever do have a shot that is not perfect, I hope it ends well. You chances however, will be better with the bigger bores on a marginal shot. If you've never made a marginal shot, then you haven't been hunting very long. I know shot placement is important, and I don't look down on the folks that don't use bigger bores. However, I do understand the reasoning behind the folks that do!

RE: Winchester Model 70 .375H&H, we need it!!!
 

The pre 64 action was produced for approx 30 years ending in 64 It is based on the mauser action and is a controlled round feed and firmly holds the round and guides it into the chamber and is equipped with a large claw extractor. They supposedly abandoned this due to manufacturing costs.

The "classic" is an updated version of the 64 it is still a very reliable feeding action. It is slightly longer than the pre 64. The Classic is what you would be looking for in a new gun in 375 H&H.

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Where can you find a Ruger RSM for under a $1000? To my knowledge they don't just sell actions and the rifles I have seen lately were $1900 to $2200. With used keeping pace. Have been in the market for a .458 Lott for some time and regret not buying one when they could be had for about 1400 cause' I thought it was too much money.

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I asked the exact same question back in January when I got their 2008 dealers packet from Browning. Of course the answer is simple and I understand it totally and agree with it. It all comes back to economics 101. But, I am nostalgic and a romantic myself, so I would like to see it back in 375... though if I ever bought one... I'd buy an orginal pre-64... price be damned. I wouldn't hunt with it anyway.... there are things I'd rather have than another rifle I'd hardly ever shoot.

Look at why New Haven and Winchester went under in the first place. Look at their production numbers. Look at how many guns they had in inventory when they made the announcement that they were going to close the doors (and look at what happened to demand and prices!).

Now, you gotta think about your customer and your market. Fact is, most of the folks going to Africa are bringing their American deer and elk rifles. By and large, the 30-06 still rules the roost over their much like it does here. Behind that, you'll find the 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 7 Mag, .270 and even the .308. Same as for deer over here. And to be honest, most PHs will tell you to bring your deer rifle with you. Something you are familiar and comfortable with. Winchester ain't really concerned about the 300-500 rifles or so a year they could sell to the medium-big bore crowd... they want to focus on restablishing a foothold in the American market. How do you do that? You make a good, quality firearm, in the US, at a decent price, in cartridges most in demand by todays consumers. Fact is, there just ain't many southern boys looking to hunt deer with .375 H&Hs or .220 Swifts.

Before you see Winchester bring out another .375 (though they may offer a super grade or custom shop type gun), you are going to see the 1894 come back out. Sales of lever guns have absolutely exploded since the 94 went bunk. Marlins are selling out at gun shops. Mossberg is even in the game now for 2008. Henry's are selling, and I think they are WAY WAY WAY overpriced... and mostly in useless calibers for hunters.

Now, when it comes to dangerous game, their are rules in play. A lot of outfitters will have a rifle you can use, but by and large if you are going on one of these hunts then the difference between $1300 for a CZ and $13,000 starting out for a Blazer or Kreighoff is about as hard a choice as super-sizing your Big Mac combo meal for another 39 cents.

I remember coming back from a successful offshore fishing trip with my grandfather and dad on paw-paws 28' Albemarle. Its a hell of a great fishing boat (or was, he gets a new one every two years its seems). We came back into the inlet, and the owner (not the captain, the owner) of a dang near new 68' Viking was at the fuel dock. My paw-paw asked him what it ran him price wise and what his fuel bill was. The guy pulled a $100 bill out his pocket, tore it in half and threw it in the water. He looked at paw-paw. Then he took another one, tore it in half, and threw it in the water. I was fixing to go swimming at this point. He then took a third $100 bill out, tore it in half and threw it in the water. He looked at paw-paw and said... if you can't afford to do that, then you can't afford one of these. It was a pretty condescending thing to do to him, considering the position he held at the time (the owner didn't know better). But it proves two things: 1) if you have to worry about the price, then you probably can't afford it 2) some people are stupid enough to spend $300 just to make a point and show off when a simple sentence with an appropriate adjective would have done the same. It also goes to show something that a lot of Americans (esp middle class Americans) are guilty of.... spending all of their safari money on a rifle, and not having enough left over to go hunting....