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45-70 buffalo classic
I know a lot of folks will shoot out there to 400 yards etc. Just not me, not into it. Been looking for a very old school gun with lots of knockdown to it. Been told the New England 45-70 bufflo classic is a good inexpensive gun with lots of punch at 100 yards or less when used with the .405 government load. True? False? Anyone shooting this? Hunting with it?
I know you can't believe everything you read in a magazine when they are trying to sell you something so I thought I'd ask. Thanks, Joe |
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45/70 ought to take care of just about anything you point it at out to 200 yards or so. They can even be made to shoot to the 400 yards with lot of practice and some know how.
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I have one and I can tell you it is a great rifle.With the buffalo bore or garrett rounds it will flatten just about anything.I reload for mine and it will shoot 1in groups ok.
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Joe: I had a 45-70 BC excellent rifle but if your hunting will keep you in a 100 yard target why not look into the Handi 45-70 I think they are 22" barrel and you will have a choice of iron sight or scope. I loaded the BC using the 405 grain bullet with black powder loads also tried the 525 postal lead bullet with 65 grains of black but the light rifle will shatter your teeth with heavy lead bullets.
I made a bad choice when I purcahsed the 45-70 I should of went with the 38-55 I am not a fan for recoil |
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I had heard about the beartooth bullets that are 525 for this gun but only heard of them being run through the BC not the shorter handi gun. Not being the biggest guy in the world I figured the heavier gun would have less recoil.
Not sure that all my hunting will be within 100 yards but definately not out beyond 200 for certain. I know there are a lot of guns out there that are accurate far beyond that, just never been my hunting style. I appreciate the input from folks that have actually used this gun, makes me feel better about ordering one. Apparently they are allocated and only dealers that sell a certain amount of the companies other firearms are able to get them. I'm lucky I have a dealer in the area who has a very good sized allocation and can get them pretty easy. Might have to put a shock absorber on the butt of it though. Thanks again to all. Joe |
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The beauty of the 45-70 is that high velocity and recoil is not necessary to be an effective killing machine. Any velocity from 1200 to 1600 fps is very adequate. My two favorite loads are simple-40 grains of RL7 and a 405 grain cast(mine) bullet. Or just fill the case up with BP and lop off the excess with a butter knife, and seat the bullet.
At 1600 fps with a 405 grain pill, the only thingthat restricts your"killing range", is your ability to shoot your rifle. 200 yards is a piece of cake. All you need to do is practice. If you are willing to practice then the 45-70 is the greatest round there is. If you are not willing to practice, then stay away from it. It is really that simple. Buy500 inexpensive cast bullet's and shoot away.405 grain lead pill's of just about any make up will be effectice on deer or most any other game short of dangerous game. Tom.  |
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ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 The beauty of the 45-70 is that high velocity and recoil is not necessary to be an effective killing machine. Any velocity from 1200 to 1600 fps is very adequate. My two favorite loads are simple-40 grains of RL7 and a 405 grain cast(mine) bullet. Or just fill the case up with BP and lop off the excess with a butter knife, and seat the bullet. At 1600 fps with a 405 grain pill, the only thingthat restricts your"killing range", is your ability to shoot your rifle. 200 yards is a piece of cake. All you need to do is practice. If you are willing to practice then the 45-70 is the greatest round there is. If you are not willing to practice, then stay away from it. It is really that simple. Buy500 inexpensive cast bullet's and shoot away.405 grain lead pill's of just about any make up will be effectice on deer or most any other game short of dangerous game. Tom.
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That is most definately one fine looking firearm. Now I'm drooling.
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I own the Buffalo Classic 45/70 and love it. The last time I shot I used the Buffalo Bore 405 gr. J.F.N. (2000 fps / M.E. 3597 ft. lbs.) out to 300 yards because that was all the distance I had to shoot. I started out traditional with a Harrington and Wesson rear sight, but changed to a Leupold VXIII 2.6x8x36 scope for hunting. I had my rifle refinished by Robar with a Roguard barrel and NP3 receiver. I am looking to get a buffalo engraved on the side after hunting season.
This rifle is a shooter. The recoil is more of a push than a slam and not as bad as the leverguns in my opinion. It is one of my favorite rifles. MV out!    |
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Nice looking piece. How is that scope handling the recoil. I understand it is more of a push as you say but it is a pretty big load also, Does the scope have any difficulties?
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I am pretty sure there is a law against putting a scope on a single shot 45-70??? If not then there should be!!! If you want a scope then get a
Marlin lever action. IMO they just do not look right on a rifle designed to be shot with open sights. Tom. |
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well, lol, while it may not be pretty, I'm no Quigley anymore I don't think. I'll have to see when it gets here how I can do with the open sites.
Lots of things have changed since I hit 50 years old. These strange aches and pains, and what the heck is up with having to change my glasses prescription every 9 months. |
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You know, when I was sighting in the scope I was sure I could hear the ghosts of the mountain men saying, I wish we had one of those. The scope is the Leupold VXIII and has not moved. For the record, I do on a Marlin leveraction rifle. It is the 1895, again with a Roguard finish and NP3 internals, Wild West Trigger and Bear Proof Ejector. It kicks harder and cannot shoot as far or as accurate as the Buffalo Classic. MV out!
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You are probably right. They would probably have loved to have a 50 caliber Barrett??? Tom.
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There is also the CVA Optima Elite which comes with a 45-70 barrel.
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Anyway, as soon as I harvest my first animal with the Buffalo Classic I am removing the scope and putting the Wesson & Harrington back on. It is way more fun to shoot that way. MV out!
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I have a browning 1885 high wall in .45-70 and noticed with 300 grain bullets it packs a bit of recoil. Does anyone else notice this in theres? Should I try a heavier bullet?
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It depends completely on your load. Where are the pictures of your HighWall 1885 Browning. Tom.
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Here ya go.
Wow it doesnt work, and apparently my "file is too large" I scaled it down how else would you post a pic? HA I got it. Anyway the top one is in .45-70 and the bottom one is in 7mm mag.  |
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just bought a bc 45/70 where can i find a set of buck horn sights at like on the marlin 45/70 cowboy that will fit my gun
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looking for buck horn sights for my bc 45/70 like the ones used on marlins 45/70 cb
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Wesson & Harrington Long Range Sight
[/align] [/align]  [/align] [/align] This sight is made to fit the H&R 1871 Buffalo Rifle and the Wesson and Harrington Buffalo Classic. Comes with 6-48 mounting screws for mounting into the existing screw holes on the barrel. The staff has elevation markings and the slide has a detent system that can be adjusted to lock it solidly in place or allow elevation adjustments. Made from solid bar stock all hand made right here in the USA. [/align] [/align]Brownells has them too. MV out! [/align][/align] |
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