9mm bear bullet?
04-25-2007, 01:21 PM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
Just to let you know, just last week a State Trooper here in NJ had to put down a bear, not a big one, he used all his ammo, 45 rounds of 9mm, and the bear was already dieing from being hit by a car, proves my point, the 9mm is a useless round for bears, and crack attacks
04-25-2007, 01:57 PM
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
ORIGINAL: tmeservey
If a 9mm out penetrates a 45, try setting up some bowling ball pins or some oldsteel truck tire rims and tell me which has more penetration and knock down power. At a charging bear i want the largest caliber possible. We've tested both calibers and there is really no comparison. the 9 is alot faster but the 45 has a heavier bullet/energy especially idf you are using solids. I too prefer a hollow point.
If a 9mm out penetrates a 45, try setting up some bowling ball pins or some oldsteel truck tire rims and tell me which has more penetration and knock down power. At a charging bear i want the largest caliber possible. We've tested both calibers and there is really no comparison. the 9 is alot faster but the 45 has a heavier bullet/energy especially idf you are using solids. I too prefer a hollow point.
04-25-2007, 02:01 PM
#43
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
If a 9mm and a 45 are toys compared to my 44 Mag and my 44 Mag is a toy compared to my 338 Laupua Mag then what is my 338 Laupua Mag a toy compared to? I have it as a toy because i dont hunt nething big enough to need a gun like that. Also what if the 44 Mag is in arifle? Then is the 44 Mag pistol still a toy compared to the 44 Mag rifle?
04-25-2007, 02:12 PM
#44
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
ORIGINAL: Retaks
If a 9mm and a 45 are toys compared to my 44 Mag and my 44 Mag is a toy compared to my 338 Laupua Mag then what is my 338 Laupua Mag a toy compared to? I have it as a toy because i dont hunt nething big enough to need a gun like that. Also what if the 44 Mag is in arifle? Then is the 44 Mag pistol still a toy compared to the 44 Mag rifle?
If a 9mm and a 45 are toys compared to my 44 Mag and my 44 Mag is a toy compared to my 338 Laupua Mag then what is my 338 Laupua Mag a toy compared to? I have it as a toy because i dont hunt nething big enough to need a gun like that. Also what if the 44 Mag is in arifle? Then is the 44 Mag pistol still a toy compared to the 44 Mag rifle?
"toys"?
04-25-2007, 02:16 PM
#45
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Tony Orlando and Dawn
There are no hunting seasons for bowling pins or truck tire rims. And rarely (if ever) will you have to defend yourself against them.
All too often illogical comparisons are made. No animal is as hard as steel or even as hard and dense as a bowling pin. Only consideration I would use is tissue and bone.
ORIGINAL: tmeservey
If a 9mm out penetrates a 45, try setting up some bowling ball pins or some oldsteel truck tire rims and tell me which has more penetration and knock down power. At a charging bear i want the largest caliber possible. We've tested both calibers and there is really no comparison. the 9 is alot faster but the 45 has a heavier bullet/energy especially idf you are using solids. I too prefer a hollow point.
If a 9mm out penetrates a 45, try setting up some bowling ball pins or some oldsteel truck tire rims and tell me which has more penetration and knock down power. At a charging bear i want the largest caliber possible. We've tested both calibers and there is really no comparison. the 9 is alot faster but the 45 has a heavier bullet/energy especially idf you are using solids. I too prefer a hollow point.
There are no hunting seasons for bowling pins or truck tire rims. And rarely (if ever) will you have to defend yourself against them.
All too often illogical comparisons are made. No animal is as hard as steel or even as hard and dense as a bowling pin. Only consideration I would use is tissue and bone.
04-25-2007, 05:58 PM
#46
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
ORIGINAL: Retaks
If a 9mm and a 45 are toys compared to my 44 Mag and my 44 Mag is a toy compared to my 338 Laupua Mag then what is my 338 Laupua Mag a toy compared to? I have it as a toy because i dont hunt nething big enough to need a gun like that. Also what if the 44 Mag is in arifle? Then is the 44 Mag pistol still a toy compared to the 44 Mag rifle?
If a 9mm and a 45 are toys compared to my 44 Mag and my 44 Mag is a toy compared to my 338 Laupua Mag then what is my 338 Laupua Mag a toy compared to? I have it as a toy because i dont hunt nething big enough to need a gun like that. Also what if the 44 Mag is in arifle? Then is the 44 Mag pistol still a toy compared to the 44 Mag rifle?
"toys"?[/quote]
338 Laupua? I guess you can't handle a real man's gun
04-25-2007, 06:21 PM
#47
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
Yea i cant handle a real mans gun. I was going to get a 50 BMG but i saw the new 416 Barret and kinda like it. Im waiting ot see if i can find ammo for it or not since i dont reload. I know i need to get where i shoot bigger guns. My little things couldnt kill a mouse.
04-25-2007, 06:24 PM
#48
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
My friends father fought the germans in Italy during WWII.Sometime in the winter toward the end of the war they were in the Italian Alps,very,very cold he said.The came to a town and got to the bank before the krauts had a chance to rob it and leave.He said there was a fierce fire fight at close range.He ran into a german in a building at 20 or 30 feet.They both had all the clothes that they owned on.GI overcoat,germans had one they called a greatcoat.The german had a 9mm submachine gun,my friends dad had a 45 cal thompson submachine gun.They both stitched each other across the chest.The kraut died,the 9mm did not completly penetrate the GI overcoat.
04-25-2007, 08:22 PM
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
denis, I'm not doubting you, but I think your friend's father's memory is a bit "fogged". The 9mm full metal jacket didn't penetrate the overcoat at 20 to 30 feet? It penetrated GI helmets at distances further than that.
04-25-2007, 09:01 PM
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RE: 9mm bear bullet?
Well, I've returned from my first bear hunt in one piece. No bears to be found, but I learned alot from an experienced hunter and enjoyed every minute of the three-dayhunt. And yes, I carried the 9mm. With 147 grain HPs. I'm glad I didn't have to find out if it would stop a bear, but I felt better having it with me.I'll be shopping for a larger backup in the near future so I can keep after the bad bruin with more confidence in my sidearm. I'll keep the 9mmfor homefront security and practice.Thanksall for your input.
So if you only had a 9mmfor backup and were after wild boar, which bullet would youuse?
So if you only had a 9mmfor backup and were after wild boar, which bullet would youuse?