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Brenneke slugs
Don't know how to make it much more simple. Who likes(loves) their Brenneke slugs?
Alot is posted about all kinds of fancy, hi-speed sabots, but who's got something to say about good old german engineering and dropping whitetails? Heck - I think BuckHammers are better than most "high speed" offerings. |
RE: Brenneke slugs
I would like to agree with on this one Matt, but I can't. I used the brenneke gold mags last year and was not overly impressed. I mean sure it killed the deer but I have seen better performance.
All it did was punch a quarter sized hole right through the deer. Bullet performance and ballistics are not very impressive compared to a better designed bullet. Not that brenneke doesn't make a quality product, because they do. I just personally think a better designed bullet like a controlled expansion XTP type bullet works better on game. Just my opinion though and nothing more. If I were shooting a smoothbore I might look into some of the brenneke rounds. But my smoothbore really likes Winchester rifled slugs, so I don't see the point in changing right now. To be honest though they will pretty much all kill deer if you hit them in the front somewhere;). Paul |
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Paul...
I just have a question for you??? I understand you weren't impressed and everyone has their own opinion, and that cool. Everyone isn't going to like everything. But you said you didn't like the round, "all it did was punch a quater size hole right through the deer." Now, I ask what were you looking for the bullet to do. Was it performance you were looking at, because I call that performance(that's what you want it to do). Or were you talking about the ballistics aspec. Just a question. Take Care, |
RE: Brenneke slugs
Large heavy solid slugs over penitrate in my opinion. It punched a hole through the deer but really didn't transfer a lot of energy. Compared with one of the XTP type bullets like in the modern sabot bullets or an Inline ML they don't expand very well, if at all. I would just rather have a bullet that expands in the game and does more internal damage is all.
Like I said, they work, and will obviously kill deer. I just think the better designed bullets have an edge is all. I shot a deer at 20 yards with a 600 grn full diameter bullet. The bullet went right through the deer and a small tree about 10 yards away. And the deer still ran 90 yards. It didn't even flinch, let alone fall down. I have shot deer with both types and the internal damage to the vitals is always greater with a controled exansion bullet vrs a plain lead slug. I just believe that bullet design is very important is all. A round ball moving at 1100 fps out of a muzzle loader will kill a deer, that doesn't mean it will be my first choice if there are better ones out there. Ballistics do play a role, but to be honest either rifled slugs or sabots shoot about the same out of my H&R ultra as far as trajectory and accuracy go at 100 yards. My gun is actually very accurate with some rifled slugs until the barrel leads up (about 3 or 4 shots). It's just that after using both I feel the better bullets work better. What I would really like is an all lead bullet from Precision Bullets with a polymer tip like I shoot in my Muzzle Loader. I may try and reload something like this in the future. Paul |
RE: Brenneke slugs
I totally understand where your coming from !!
I was just wondering in what terms you meant the performance & ballistics statement. Thanks Alot for the clear up. Tom |
RE: Brenneke slugs
I use brenneke short mag in my smoothbore for2 years now and I wouldn't use anything else. I hunt in thickets of heavy brush that you would not want to go into and sometimes in swamps. I getclover leafs groups at 50 yards and get2-3 in groups at100 yards. The performce this slug put on deer is great. Last year 2005, I shot a buck 40 yards and it drop him like a ton of brick. When I went to check on my buck I notice thatthe slugwent through2 branches of finger sizebefore hitting the buck and the slug still went through him right behind the shoulder andhe dropright there. That is what I called performance, try doing that to other foster slugs, I don't even think it would go past the first branch and make it to the deer. I've haven't shot that many deer (6 deer) with this slug but all the deer I'veshot at either drop inthier track or drop within 40 yards. All the other foster slugs I've tried in the past, (winchester, remington, and federal)have put deer down and left decent blood trails but I don't like to track and possibly have other hunters taken shots at the deer I just shot and then claiming it thiers because they put the killing shot.I love brenneke and would never put anything else in my slug gun.
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RE: Brenneke slugs
I hunt with a buddy that exclusively uses Brennek slugs in his 870. He only has the bird barrel on his, but still is deadly accurate taking deer with the sucker out to 100 yards.
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RE: Brenneke slugs
ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr Large heavy solid slugs over penitrate in my opinion. It punched a hole through the deer but really didn't transfer a lot of energy. Compared with one of the XTP type bullets like in the modern sabot bullets or an Inline ML they don't expand very well, if at all. I would just rather have a bullet that expands in the game and does more internal damage is all. Like I said, they work, and will obviously kill deer. I just think the better designed bullets have an edge is all. I shot a deer at 20 yards with a 600 grn full diameter bullet. The bullet went right through the deer and a small tree about 10 yards away. And the deer still ran 90 yards. It didn't even flinch, let alone fall down. I have shot deer with both types and the internal damage to the vitals is always greater with a controled exansion bullet vrs a plain lead slug. I just believe that bullet design is very important is all. A round ball moving at 1100 fps out of a muzzle loader will kill a deer, that doesn't mean it will be my first choice if there are better ones out there. Ballistics do play a role, but to be honest either rifled slugs or sabots shoot about the same out of my H&R ultra as far as trajectory and accuracy go at 100 yards. My gun is actually very accurate with some rifled slugs until the barrel leads up (about 3 or 4 shots). It's just that after using both I feel the better bullets work better. What I would really like is an all lead bullet from Precision Bullets with a polymer tip like I shoot in my Muzzle Loader. I may try and reload something like this in the future. Paul accually doesnt the term "controlled expansion" do just that, a big lead slug at amedium velocitywill more readily expand than a high velocityjacketed bullet will. Also with the use of round balls,, round balls offer some of the best expansion available due to thei spherical shape and soft lead. the draw back being they have poor balistics after 70 yards |
RE: Brenneke slugs
I have shot animals with all three types and the better designed bullets always create more internal damage. Controlled expansion bullets are designed to expand rapidly yet retain all thier weight. Which is why they are so popular for self defense ammo.
Again, just my opinions they don't have to be yours. Paul |
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PM,
Hummm - If you ever reload an all lead polytip for a shotgun like the PR's let me know I'll buy some:) I use the PR bullets in my smoke poles. Using the Hornady SST 300gr sabots(same design as PR) in my H&R 20. |
RE: Brenneke slugs
Been using then for along time and I'm not switching,my Berreta loves them.
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Well here are my thoughts, the more holes you put in to something the better chance for more blood to come out.
Yeah I see what you mean by better controlled expansion but I have had some trouble with these high dollar slugs not exiting the deer and it did run off leaving NO blood trail... shot a buck with a Rem copper solid and it fragmented which correct me if im wrong but that is no weight retention in my opinion. Plus I really hurt when im paying 15 dollars a box for them... now I think its more like 20 dollars!!! nearly 5 dollars a shot and it will only get worse so I said enough is enough... got rid of that damn rifled barrel and went and got a smooth bore... heck I even have better groups then I did with my hastings barrel and super dupper sexy has heck slugs... tried the hornady sst, the Winchesters line up, them Rem coptpers, the light fields (would like to try lights in a smooth bore because I think they have something here) these bennekes are still a little more money then I want to spend but they group well and when they put 2 big holes in a deer i'm pretty sure I will at least have a good heavy blood trail to follow and if so a dead deer at the end of it. If I drop um.... even better! I think if great ballistics is what ur after then a high powered rifle is the only true way to get it and it wont event cost you as much to shoot better bullets... these marketing companies have a lot of us believing we need to speed money on these sexy slug bullets... I say good marketing on their part at least. |
Wow, you sure found an old thread, but it's one of my favorite subjects. I grew up hunting in New Jersey back before slugs were allowed. Seeing the difference between buckshot and slugs I've never looked back except for the buckshot in my home defense gun. I love using full bore sized slugs, whether they are Brenneke or foster slugs. My gun like Winchester rifled slugs best but if the Brennekes shot the best I'd use them instead. In either case you get huge holes and lots of blood. My gun has no problem hitting a deer at 125 yards with them, which is good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Paul L Mohr
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I would like to agree with on this one Matt, but I can't. I used the brenneke gold mags last year and was not overly impressed. I mean sure it killed the deer but I have seen better performance.
All it did was punch a quarter sized hole right through the deer. Bullet performance and ballistics are not very impressive compared to a better designed bullet. Not that brenneke doesn't make a quality product, because they do. I just personally think a better designed bullet like a controlled expansion XTP type bullet works better on game. Just my opinion though and nothing more. If I were shooting a smoothbore I might look into some of the brenneke rounds. But my smoothbore really likes Winchester rifled slugs, so I don't see the point in changing right now. To be honest though they will pretty much all kill deer if you hit them in the front somewhere;). Paul |
Originally Posted by Centaur 1
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Wow, you sure found an old thread, but it's one of my favorite subjects. I grew up hunting in New Jersey back before slugs were allowed. Seeing the difference between buckshot and slugs I've never looked back except for the buckshot in my home defense gun. I love using full bore sized slugs, whether they are Brenneke or foster slugs. My gun like Winchester rifled slugs best but if the Brennekes shot the best I'd use them instead. In either case you get huge holes and lots of blood. My gun has no problem hitting a deer at 125 yards with them, which is good enough for me.
Yeah sorry hope I didn't come across as to aggressive... I just get a little heated because ive tried them and didn't get much performance when compared to cost... yeah I was searching for brenneke threads once again since our season is getting ready to start and I stumbled on to this thread. They are a big slug that shoots fairly accurate out my smooth boar/rifled choke tube rem 11-87. oz and a quarter is a ton of kinetic energy hitting something! |
for smoothbores the brennekes and the other foster type slugs are fine, but for rifled barrels and to reach out and touch a deer sabot slugs are they way to go, which ones to use is up to what your gun likes
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Originally Posted by BOWHUNTERCOP
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for smoothbores the brennekes and the other foster type slugs are fine, but for rifled barrels and to reach out and touch a deer sabot slugs are they way to go, which ones to use is up to what your gun likes
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This is what a Brenneky short field mag did to this nice bodied 8 pointer yesterday evening. Short 4 times hit him 3 on a dead sprint. I he went about 50 yds up a hill and down he went at the top. Blood trail was very easy to see.
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