Federal Fusion Ammo?
 

I've been shooting Remington 180gr. psp core-lokt's in my .300 Win mag and really am not entirely happy with the terminal performance. Anyway, I've been wondering about Federal's "fusion" bullets. Has anyone here ever used them? I just need to find a load for my .300 that won't, you know, detonate when it comes into contact with the guard hairs on an animal's hide. I've looked in the local shops for factory ammo with bonded bullets and it seems like I only have three choices. Remington's swift-scirocco, Winchester's fail safe, and the Federal fusion bullets. Federal was the cheapest. I plan on trying them for myself but would also like some input from anyone who's "in the know". ;)

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I tried the 165gr's in my new 300wsm. I couldn't get them to group for nothing. Best group was around 5"s @ 100yds. I switched to winchester ballistic tips(Which I will not hunt with..only thing walmart had) and I started shooting nickle and penny size groups. Everything I've read on them for harvesting game has been great. I wish they shot worth a dang in my gun but they dont.

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probably the truest bonded core out there since the jacket is actually layers upon layers of electroplated copper. If I ever go back to factory ammo you bet they will be one of my top choices to try.

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Don't forget the nossler accubond.

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My 300WM didn't like Fusion loads at all. (Had a 7mm RM that liked them well enough.)

Check out the Hornady Interbond loads. Not as cheap as Fusions but priced below other bonded bullet offerings. (The 165's shoot like wildfire out of my Sako...just unbelievable.)

Good luck!

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The Barnes X bullet is pretty much accepted as the best terminal performer in terms of controlled expansion and weight retention. There is no jacket or core to seperate from each other.

Trophy Bonded Bearclaw is a close second.

Go to Federal's website and download their ammo database. You can view each load for your cartridge and the bullets that are in each load, plus ballistics etc etc.

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The trophy bonded bear claw is just a overly hyped up speers version of a remington core lokt.... I know they do shoot real well out of alot of guns but from what ive seen its terminal performance is just slightly better then a core lokt and would hardly rate as a second to a barnes X-bullet. A nosler partition, swift A-frame or a CT failsafe I feel would make a better second to the barnes x.

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What grain of fusionbullet were you shooting. If your gun shot 180 gr. corelokts well I would guess that 180 fusion should shoot just as well.

In my eyes, the Nosler Partition takes a second to no one. You want terminal performance thats where I'd point you. Now to get them in a factory load you will have to shell out some bucks, and buy Federal Premium cartridges. If you ever considered reloading you may want to think about it again you can load your own cartridges with premium bullets for the same money as the factory "cheap" stuff. Not including the initial cost of equipment of course. Plus, you can taylor fit your cartridges to your weapon.

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Hugh? Totally different bullet design than core lokt. Tbbc are awesome.

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The tbbc that Ibought have a solid copperrear portionand a bonded core in front.That is totally different than a core lokt.

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i know its different design but the terminal performance isnt much better then a core lokt.

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I tried the Fusion 180 gr. in my BAR 30-06 and wasn't very happy with the acuracy.

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i just purchsed a box this morin and went 2 the range and shot some in 7mm08 and was suprised i think i found a factory load that the savage 7mm08 likes of mine alos tryed my new box of barnes tsx in my 7mmag and was very happy shot very well

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Fusions are actually only supposed to be a "deer" bullet or in other words used on thin skin game only. Federal says so themselves in their ad. I mean even with their bonding process you need a partition or something to control expansion especially on large game or to punch through a shoulder blade on an elk. Radical expansion is only good in certain circumstances and at higher velocities I'm afraid these fusion bullets may have a tendency to seperate from the jacket when faced with any resistance other than a vitals shot on deer or other smaller big game.

I, by no means would recommend this bullet for anything other than deer and I'm even suspect of that.

My close friend builds the vats that they use to construct these bullets and I've spoken to the engineers and I understand the advantages of the way they molecularly bond the two. It's an almost flawless process at almost the atomic level.

I prefer a bullet like a Partition or a Barnes X bullet that has no jacket that can seperate and is able to punch through bone if needed because I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm a perfect shot every single time out to 300 yards.

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A buddy of mine had good success with them on black bear out of his 308...

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My buddy tried them for elk this year and they shot well out of his Winchester 30:06. When we were quartering his elk we found the bullet in the chest cavity and it had broken up and separated. I wouldn't use them and he won't again.

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Did he hit the shoulder at all? See my field report in the "guns" forum.

Seems there are some mixed reviews.

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He hit it a couple of times and one was in the front shoulder. IMO the bullet didn't do the job.

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Well it just reinforces what I've been saying all along. However, there is some conflicting reports which usually never bodes well.

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I have used federal fusion ammo in .270 win to kill two bucks this year. Both deer were shot in the shoulder and dropped on the spot. both bullets were recovered and the core did not seperate from the jacket.

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The best thing to do is try them in your rifle to know for sure. I bought some for my son's Weatherby Vanguard Stainless in .243 and he didn't have any problem posting m.o.a. with them. He took an atelope at a shade over 300 yards with the 95 grain load.

My brother is using them in his Remington 7400 30/06 carbine and gets about 1 1/2" - 2" groups which is about normal for that rifle.

You really got to try them to know.

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I've shot them in my 300 Win Mag and they didn't shoot that great[:o]