RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

hE MAY BE HAPPY WITH HIS LITTLE HONDA NOW.BUT WAIT TILL ITS RESALE TIME OR TRADE IN .tHATS WHEN YOUR FEELINGS WILL GET HURT.

RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

I've been wondering, why do you always post with your caps-lock on?

Yeah, he'll wish he got an SPS, that's the real Cadillac!

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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

Hehe....that's a joke, right? Be the first time a Honda depreciates more than a "domestic" vehicle. Somewhat of a moot point, though. I bought the Honda because I wanted something I could realistically expect to get 200,000+ miles or 10+ years and keep on truckin'. Probably by that time, I will have spent hundreds if not a few grand less on repairs that I would have with a Silverado or F-150. Had a GMC full-size van that was great and didn't do much other than replace the starter on it a couple of times (150k). Our Suburban's (basis of the Silverado) tranny has already been rebuilt and had the transfer case replaced recently (123k miles). :(


Magman, what makes the Savage "feel" like it's not going to break from you holding it? Somehow I doubt the "feel" of a 710 is much different than a Savage 110 (the package gun at the time I bought my 710). I found the rounded forearm of the 710 much more pleasant to hold than the squared-off one of the 110. Even though the Savages are known to be accurate out of the box, I doubt there would be any practical difference in accuracy. My 710 shoots well below 2" groups @ 100 yards with some Federal ammo.

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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

Well, I wish you'd post a thread on "How to Tell a Good Gun by Feel". Might have swayed me to buy a Savage instead of the Remington if I'd found something like that to read before I bought. Weight? Balance? Does the color of the plastic stock make a difference? What "felt" so right about the Savage vs the Remington? I believe the plastic stock on the Savage was checkered whereas the Remington was not. Does that make it a better gun?

I did almost all my research when shopping for a rifle on the internet. If you're going to help someone who wants to buy a rifle, USEFUL information is much more helpful than subjective "touchy-feely" stuff. Most of what I read about the 710 was a bunch of crap about how it "felt like a toy" or "felt cheap". Of course, there were no explanations about how the 710's feel was soooo much more inferior to the often-recommended Savage 110s/111s. What makes the Savage "feel" better than the Remington?

Other than Savage's reputation for accuracy, there was almost no other useful information. Some did manage to post that the 710's bolt took more effort to close than the Savage. Some complained about the 710 having a pressed barrel instead of a threaded barrel, but I can't imagine ever shooting enough to wear the thing out, so that wasn't an issue for me. Some complained about the lack of an all-steel receiver (my 710 has the nylon insert in the receiver - can't see that a steel one would make a difference...one less part to rust). One or two claimed to have shot a 710 that broke within a few dozen shots.

As for me, I was willing to accept the trade-off of the extra effort to close the bolt in order to get the detachable magazine, which the Savage package gun did not offer at that time (2004), nor did the package gun have the acclaimed AccuTrigger.

As for accuracy, here's what I got with some Federal 150gr Sierra Game King ammo @ 100 yards. I was running out of time, so after this group, I just tweaked the scope and packed up instead of trying to get punch the center of the target with another group. Rem 710 - Fed 150gr Sierra Game King ammo @ 100 yards

RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

Look, one of the things that is most important in a gun is "is the person comforable with the gun" I frankly don't like the way the 710 feels, because, yes, it does feel like a toy. IMO, I think a gunshouldn't feel like a toy, because I won't to maintain a level of safety, and I don't want to think my gun is a toy, I want to be wary and reminded of the fact that it is a weapon, and one of the deadliest ever made by man, and when you take a gun that feels like a toy, it almost seems to take away a sense of responsibility that is involved in the sport of hunting. I want to be reminded that in my hands rests the only reason there are hunting accidents, and that you have the solemn responsibility to wield it in a safe, resonsible manner, and to use it to bring the animal as little pain as possible. If my gun feels like a toy, I can't be reminded or feel that.
If you can hunt with a gun that feels like a toy, then good for you; I won't, and I know plenty of others that won't, because I'm not comfortable with the way it feels, anyone who's considering buying a gun should hold it in a number of positions, check the action, and other things that will greatly impact the guy'sfunctionality andpridewith his rifle.
JMHO.

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RE: New Remington 710 rifle
 

Well, younggun243, that's fine, but I'm still curious as to WHY the 710 "feels" like a toy and the equivalent Savage supposedly does not. Both have synthetic stocks and inexpensive scopes, so it can't be one of those two issues. Both have steel barrels and receivers. I find it a weak argument - if you can even call it that - to say that the 710 feels like a toy and thus would make one complacent in handling the firearm. I've got a Walther P22 pistol that feels like a toy due its size, but it doesn't mean I'm going to handle it like one.

I find it interesting that so much bad can be tossed out about the Rem 710 and yet the equivalent Savage doesn't seem to get blasted as "feeling like a toy" or "felt cheap", etc., etc. I may have to run over to the Sportsman's Warehouse and do my own "in-store" test. May just see what those guys over there "recommend" between the two. [8D]

As for a guy's pride in this rifle - well, I suppose a guy could be proud of a rifle, but for me that's about like saying that I'm proud of my screwdriver set or my power drill. It's a tool to get a job done, not an extension of my ego.