Sako75 or Wby accumark
 

I'm looking at the Sako75 stainless synthetic in 300wsm or the Weatherby Accumark in 300win mag. Both seem to be great rifles but only one can
be choose. Any information would be great.

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My money would go to Sako with out hesitation. Look at everything about the rifles like fit and finish, action smoothness, triggers, etc... and I believe you will see that the Sako will be the clear winner.

Weatherby just doesn't offer anything worth their price tag IMHO.

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Have had them both. Still have the sako75 if that tells ya anything.

The weatherby is well made. But doesn't have all the things I like.

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Both are better than average rifles and they'll be plenty accurate, so consider what mechanical features you prefer. The Sako has a 3 lug bolt and the Weatherby's bolt has9 lugs. The simpler 3 lug bolt is preferable in my opinion.Both have easily adjustable triggers, so that's a wash. The Sako has a blade ejector while the Wby. has a plunger ejector. I prefer the blade type. The extractors are pretty similar, so that's another wash. The Sako scope mounting system uses a tapered dovetail atop the receiver. The Wby. uses traditional screw on type bases. Both systems have their advantages and are equally dependable, but there are probably more choices of scope mounts available for the Weatherby. This may be slight advantage for the Wby., but the choices available for the Sako (Sako Optilocks, Conetrol, Talley, etc...) are all excellent.

In the end, they're both nice rifles, but I'd have to choose the Sako based on the mechanical differences. I just think it's a better overall product.

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I never had a Weatherby but I have a Sako and if I only could keep one gun, it would be it.

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Thanks for the advice, one of my friends had told me about the Kimber Montana model in 300wsm its in the same
price range. They make awesome 45s but I don't know anything about their rifles, besides what their web site has.

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I've been thinking about looking at those Kimbers too when I buy my next rifle. Who knows when that might be, though. They have some features I'm particularly fond of like the claw extractor and 3 position safety. But the reviews I've read on the internet seem sort of mixed, so I might just end up with another Sako.

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I'd agree. From what I understand, it's pretty hard to getall 9 lugs to bear evenly when the bolt is closed which can have a negativeeffect on accuracy. The 3-lug system provides, IMO, the bestcombination bolt throw, strength and precision. More than 3 lugs adds unnecessary complexity, IMO.

And for me, given the choice between the two, I'd takethe Sako 75without a second thought.

Mike

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And those nine little bitty lugs that Weatherby uses do not come close to having the strength of the three that Sako uses.

And like driftrider said, it is next to impossible to get all nine of those lugs to bear against their seats evenly so how many are actually taking the strain of the firing? I know for a fact that in many cases as the gun comes out of the box from Weatherby, with out having been hand lapped by a gunsmith, that some of the lugs do not even touch their seats much less bear unevenly.

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I know the gunshop wouldn't allow it, but I'd like to take a NIB Weatherby MkV magnum action and soot the lugs and then close the bolt and see just how many of the lugs actually touch the reciever at all, let alone come in full even contact. I'd be surprised if more than 50% of the total lug bearing surface actually contacts the receiverwhen the bolt is closed. I think that the6 and 9 lugdesign gives the buyer a false sense of strength (because nine just MUST be better than two or three, right?!). I'm not saying that the MkV is a poor action, but I think that it's overpriced and overrated. All having 6 or 9 lugs and their corresponding recesses does is increase the complexity and cost of machining the rifle.

Mike

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The "seating 9 small lugs evenly is impossible" topic is always brought up to discredit the Mark V action. But the action is STILL universally praised for its great strength. How many people can honestly say they have seen a MK V action fail?

I own both actions in question and there is no question that the Sako is THE smoother of the two. (Personally I think the only action smoother than the Sako is the 202 Sauer, it even makes the 75 feel like a 700ADL :D ). As for scopemounts, the Mk V (non-lightweight) are the exact same fit as any Rem 700 and will take them likewise. So your choices there are practically unlimited. As was said, Talley and Optilock are about all you will find anymore in my gunsafe. The few Leupold sets I have left are ALL dual dovetails. As long as a system has ANYTHING but simple windage screws holding the rear rings too the base, it is probably a decent setup.

IMHO the 75 is a hunting rifle and very usable. The Accumark is more a treestand rifle due too its size and weight if you ask me. But EITHER are very fine rifles and will shoot well and certainly kill like lightning,
RA

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Driftrider I have done just that on more than one Weatherby and they do not all make contact. I never actually sat down and calculated the percentage of contact but some do not even touch.

Yes the Weatherby is a strong action, just like most all of them, but I also agree that is way over priced and offers no real value over other action designs. Unless you just like the looks of all those lugs.[&:]

Maybe I'll sit down tomorow and actually measure and calculate just how much contact Weatherbys lugs actually make with their seats.

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Either way is a very good choice. I was lucky enough to get a chance to shoot a Sako 75 and Weatherby Mark IV. I was also looking hard at two other very good models at the time, the Sauer 202 and Steyer SBS. I shot several different rounds thru both. I ended up going with the Mark IV as it was the better of the two as far as accuracy. The shop owner thatI bought it from is a dealer for both Sako, Weatherby and others. He shoots a Weatherby Accumark himself. I think the two are very close in many ways. Both have very good quality and have smooth actions with short bolt throws.

I also have a Browning A-Bolt and Tikka Whitetail Hunter. I like these guns as they are also accurate and well made. Neither can out shoot my Weatherby.

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I'm not into it as much as you guys, don't even understand the lug stuff, like to give my opinion though.
I have a weatherby 300 mag Euromark, it has a beautiful wood stock that I love. It really shoots great. I also have a weatherby 270 mag ultra lightweight. This gun shoots just as good if not better than the 300 mag. I don't want to get into the animals killed by the two but have been using them on med to large game in the States and Canada for the last ten years at least two hunts per year. I would buy another and would recommend them to anyone. Never shot a Sako, and if I had gone that route I probably would be happy with it also. I love these two Weatherby's. Just good shooters.

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I compared both the WBY and Sako and bought the Sako.

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Sako, hands down.

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Make that two hands down.....

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Now, I’m not familiar with the WBY at all but I’m very satisfied with my Sako and it looks like the Sako has the majority of votes. Good luck with your choice... ;)

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Go with the Sako!

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Thanks for all of the info! I just ordered the Sako 75 synthetic stainless, can't
wait to get it.

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IMO both of these rifles as others have said are great,the point most are missing is the 9 lugs means the bolt movement is far less in degrees(cocking and closing).The area of contact of the 9 lugs (if all are touching)are greater than the seko (and thats if the 3 lugs of it have full contact) just basic engineering.also the 9 lugs spread (even if some arnt touching) the contact more evenly than if1 of the 3 or 2 of the three of the seko arnt.There seems to be anassumption that the weatherbyis porly engineered and the seko to be perfect.They are both great rifles but it seems loyalty as usual has stepped in with your opinions.

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After owning two weatherby mark V's my choice would be sako.Even with extensive load develop my mark V's would not averge better than MOA.All of my much cheaper 700's were at least as accurate and most more accurate.The sako's that I have fired were quite accurate.

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Could someone please tell me what one should expect to pay for a Sako Model 75 stainless/synthetic? You gents are far more familiar with guns and reasonable prices than I'll ever be. I'm just wondering what a rifle of this type costs the average consumer. Thanks

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At my local Scheel's, they want $1200 for the Finnlite and Grey Wolf (lam/SS). The SS/Synth, based on relative MSRP, should be about $50 less or so.

Mike

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Kopfjaeger, I see that ya ordered a Sako. I was in the same delima 2 weeks ago.I went shopping for a Sako S/S 375H&Hbut came home with a Kimber 8400 300WSMinstead. I am very impressed with it so far . Today I looked at the M75 Finnlite, it's just a little lighter than the regular M75 due to it's fluted barrel. The rifle I will most likely buy would be chambered in 270 WSM. I did notice that the WSM's all have 24 3/8" barrels, while most others are 22's.

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A few months ago I bought the 75 stainless synthetic in 7 MM ULTRA , he had a bunch to go at 649.00 ( a steal)----brand new in box, I doubt if he has any more but if anyone wants to try I will post his phone #

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I'd like the number if you have it. Either post it here or PM me with it. I'm In the market for a Sako 75. I was really thinking about a Grey Wolf in either 270WSM or 300WSM, but for that money the 7mm RUM would be the way to go. A little more gun than I wanted, but at almost 50% off a current model Sako, I'll suck it up.The money I'd save would buy a new Zeiss Conquest to go on it, and leave money in the budget to put a removable brake and top end recoil pad on it and still have cash left over.

Mike

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Driftrider,

I sent you an email, in case you did not get it.

COTT FIREARMS
660-784-2688-----Ask for Shawn

good luck

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Thanks for the info, I'm going to give him a call tomorrow and see if he has one left.

Mike

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There are some advantages to the Weatherby that no one has bothered pointing out.

It has the 3 ports in the bolt, so if a case ruptures, the gas escapes horizontally, and not into your face.
Plus, the Weatherby has a 54 degree throw, while the Sako has a 70 (I think.) And many Weatherbys are made in the USA, helping employee a fellow shooter. Whereas Sako is made in Finnland.

I guess I can't be too critical of the Sako though, since I am in the process of getting a Sako.

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Many, if not all of the Weatherbys, are made in Japan.

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That is an excellent point and one that has not escaped my attention. I was recently inspecting one of my Sako 75's (since I made my original post, but before reading the one above) and contemplating how gas would be handled in the unlikelyevent of a case rupture. I really don't see any provisions for escaping gas. There are no ports in the bolt body or the front receiver ring. Also, the bolt shroud does not have a flange. Seems to me that escaping gas would blow right back into my face. Of course, I'm no engineer, so I don't know for sure, but it certainly concerns me. For my own peace of mind I'll have to make sureto keep my loads below max in the 75's.

Anybody else got any thoughts on this?

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I'm not sure about currently produced Weatherby's, but I was looking at several discontinued left handed versions, in the standard Mark V, Accumark, and Lightweight versions, and all of them were made in the USA.

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Sako!

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Since 1995 the Mark V (and ALL variations of that action) have been built here in the U.S. The Vanguards are still built in Japan.

There is not difference (quality wise) between the two IMHO. The Japanese guns (both VGs and MKVs) are recognized universally for their quality and fit and finish. If anything the American MKV versions have less impressive wood in the regular MKV Deluxe versions but I don't think that is as indicative as a quality issue as it is a basic supply and cost issue. Gorgeous wood blanks are harder to get and have REALLY gone up in cost in the last decade!
RA

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Weatherby does not manufacture firearms themselves.They have them built by contractors that have been located in germany,japan and the U.S..Currently the mark V's are built by SACO in maine and the vanguards by howa in japan.