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New forum
I would like to see a religious discussion forum started. That way posts regarding other matters would not be hijacked and turned into a religious debate or I should say argument. No one comes to this mesage board to be preached to, and ridiculed by a few people who want to preach. A religious discussion forum would give those who want to discuss religion a place to do it without hijacking other threads.
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just because you don't agree you want it removed from certain threads. hmmm.. seems pretty intolerant. if you don't want to engage with the posts that involve religion, here's a novel idea, JUST DON'T.
like it or not religion is relevant to discussions on many topics. |
Yes I do want it removed to its own thread. If I want to engage I can do that on a seperate thread and not have to watch a post regarding political issues be hijacked and turned into a religious back and forth between a few people. Did you ever notice when that happens, most people, just stop posting on the subject the OPs started. I doubt it will happen for obvious reasons but I think it would be better for the board.
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I have no problem with a new forum but don't think for a second it will stop anyone from posting ,religion, in a political thread , when it is relevant. which is often.
seems more an attempt to censor that which you can't stand to hear, to me. |
We actually used to have a religion forum. Operative words are "used to."
Back then, about 10 or so regular members (and occasionally a new member) would argue the same stuff back and forth. At first it was atheism against religions. People got fired up. After the atheists pretty much dropped out of the forum, it was other religions against Christianity. Eventually those members posting in favor of other religions dropped out. Then it got down to 2 or 3 guys posting bible verses and occasionally 1 member trying to start a discussion about anything religious with no takers. Shortly after that, some people proposed to Admin that the Religion forum should be closed. Admin closed the forum and now the results are religion has shifted to the Off Season and Politics forums. I agree that religion is often relevant to many subjects and have pretty much green lighted it in the Politics forum as the forum moderator. I assume Mr4pt has done essentially the same thing in the Off season since I see religious topics in that forum. Now you know the history (more or less) of a religion forum at HNI. You can request the forum be re-instituted from HNI Christine or Paul (Ibobi). I don't know if they'll be receptive to starting that forum up again or not. Good luck. |
Certain people would come along thinking they were enlightened and anyone that disagreed with their dogma was the devil. Similar to the political board, but at times much worse. Certain people demanded tolerance for their beliefs, but showed total intolerance for anything they disagreed. Again, like the political board. False accusations and attacks were common too...like the political board.
If we have a board dedicated to religion and it's barred from all other boards, then to be fair there should also be one for people to discuss the theory of evolution (and keep it off every other forum), abortion, "climate change", along with any and every other thing that could overlap. Total tolerance except for the things I don't want to tolerate--right? One more board for those who support liberal ideology (such as the above) regardless of what political persuasion they claim.:D |
Actually, you sound like you are talking about yourself as the intolerant one. I did not expect any action on the request. However I just wanted the powers that be to know that the hijacking of political threads is running people away from the site. I have recieved pms from others who have had enough of the a few people hijacking a thread away from the intent of the posts and preaching who will not post anymore. I thought perhaps those who own the message board may want to consider placing the religious discourse in a place where those who enter want the discourse, even if it is only a hand full of people. It would appear I was wrong. Nothing wrong with religious discourse, but there is a time and place and a way to do it that is not as abrasive as we are seeing here.
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I am intolerant, and have no problem admitting it. I am intolerant of lies, false accusations, people pretending to be something they aren't...basically anything dishonest I am intolerant of.
I have recieved pms from others who have had enough of the a few people hijacking a thread away from the intent of the posts and preaching who will not post anymore. What "preaching", pray tell (pun intended). You shouldn't be making accusations you can't back. |
Originally Posted by LBR
(Post 4192592)
I am intolerant, and have no problem admitting it. I am intolerant of lies, false accusations, people pretending to be something they aren't...basically anything dishonest I am intolerant of.
Really? The rules are pretty clear about who to contact if there is a complaint. Not the first time she's pulled that stunt...or second. What "preaching", pray tell (pun intended). You shouldn't be making accusations you can't back. I don't believe Oltimr is talking about anything that would necessitate a complaint being filed in regards to what he's talking about. It's also very interesting that a couple members that are very good at doing exactly what he's talking about have come on this thread and are apparently objecting to his request. I, for one, understand exactly where he's coming from and that's one big reason I don't get involved much in these debates because of where they seem to be going more and more lately. Also, I'm at least one member he's referencing regarding PMs being being exchanged with him on the subject. I'm also not a she and I find it very improper that you would suggest that our one regular female member is in any way involved with this. That would certainly be an "accusation you can't back up", like you have accused Oldtimr of. It sounds like you may have a problem with that certain female member from previous engagements that I'm not familiar with, but to make the statement you did IMHO is very inappropriate, especially in your capacity as a Super Mod! Just my opinion and that's all it is! |
Well Tg, first thing you should learn the whole story before injecting yourself. OT has made accusations he can't back up, against me specifically and generally. So you are just flat wrong there.
Second, no rule against pm-ing another member, but just what do you expect him to do? Have you left the site? Seems he either exaggerated, or he wasn't talking about you. There's a blue million things that get brought up on the political board that aren't political. There are religious opinions brought up that don't have a thing to do with Christianity. Don't see either of you complaining about that, just the things you specifically don't like. There are threads every day that I don't care for. I exercise the option of not reading or not replying to them. It's pretty simple. |
There's are threads every day that I don't care for. I exercise the option of not reading or not replying to them. It's pretty simple.[/QUOTE]
x2. if you don't like what we have right to say , ignore it. no one is yelling fire in a crowded theater . it's not a complicated idea to grasp. it may just be that there are others who read , that like the aspect of the religious arguments TG as I stated above ,I am not opposed to a religion forum. in fact ,I welcome it.what I oppose is the OPs attempt to censor that which he does not agree with, because it offends his delicate sensibilities.you see , it is not enough for those who hate hearing about GOD , to ignore it. they must do what they can to , censor it. |
If you have ever helped set up a 3D course for a tournament, you will get this analogy all too well.
It doesn't matter how hard you try, you absolutely can't make everyone happy. It's going to be too hard, or too easy. The shots will be too long, or too close. Too brushy, or too wide open. Too many deer targets, or not enough deer targets. Too many big targets, too many small targets, too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too hilly, too flat...it just seems that some people aren't happy unless they are unhappy. The kicker is that normally the ones that complain the most contribute the least. You won't catch them volunteering to help set targets, clear lanes, put out shooting stakes, work registration, build trophies...but they will dang sure put in overtime when it comes to complaining about something. If it were up to them to actually do the work, there would never be a tournament to begin with...but they sure won't hesitate to tell you how you should be doing it, and point out everything they think you are doing wrong. You finally quit trying to cater to every squeaky wheel and just do the best you know how to do. Legitimate criticism by people who genuinely want to help make it better will always be welcome, but the rest just aggravates. My two cents. |
Never mind, as it's obviously a waste of time when you don't want to read what is actually being stated! All I'm saying is that you had no right to make accusations against our female member regarding this topic when you don't have any idea whether it's true or not, but you skipped that entire reason for why I actually made that post to you!
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Never mind, as it's obviously a waste of time when you don't want to read what is actually being stated! All I'm saying is that you had no right to make accusations against our female member regarding this topic when you don't have any idea whether it's true or not,... ... you skipped that entire reason for why I actually made that post to you! |
Again you're telling me what I know and don't know when you have no absolutely no idea or facts in order to make a statement like that! Read that last tagline of yours Bro, as it's very appropriate here in that's your opinion and nothing more. In that last post you have now even admitted you could be wrong, etc. and that is absolutely spot on, unless she or Oldtimr tell you you're correct in your suspicion, which is all it is at the present time. Anyway, the last I knew there is only ONE "all knowing" and it certainly isn't you Bro! Have a nice Easter weekend and you can have a last word or two if you so choose, as I'm outa here!
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Originally Posted by kidoggy
(Post 4192650)
There's are threads every day that I don't care for. I exercise the option of not reading or not replying to them. It's pretty simple.
it may just be that there are others who read , that like the aspect of the religious arguments ***If that were the case, then why aren't a lot more than the 2 or 3 of you getting involved in the discussion?! It would seem that the lack of most of the members getting involved in those discussions when the 2 or 3 of you hijack a thread and take it down the religious path would correlate with exactly what Oltimr is saying. He is not saying that you should be censored, but rather to just have that discussion in an appropriate thread and quit hijackjacking other threads! TG as I stated above ,I am not opposed to a religion forum. in fact ,I welcome it.what I oppose is the OPs attempt to censor that which he does not agree with, because it offends his delicate sensibilities.you see , it is not enough for those who hate hearing about GOD , to ignore it. they must do what they can to , censor it.[/QUOTE] ***See above comment! |
Again you're telling me what I know... ...as it's very appropriate here in that's your opinion and nothing more. ...and quit hijackjacking other threads! If that were the case, then why aren't a lot more than the 2 or 3 of you getting involved in the discussion?! I could fill a page naming things that aren't political that get discussed on the political board. Like I said, if I don't want to read them, I don't. If I don't want to reply, I don't. Nobody is forcing anyone to read or reply if they don't want to. Funny thing, the one topic that gets "highjacked" that the two of you are referring to isn't a political topic--so why aren't you complaining about it being posted in the first place? |
**If that were the case, then why aren't a lot more than the 2 or 3 of you getting involved in the discussion?! It would seem that the lack of most of the members getting involved in those discussions when the 2 or 3 of you hijack a thread and take it down the religious path would correlate with exactly what Oltimr is saying. He is not saying that you should be censored, but rather to just have that discussion in an appropriate thread and quit hijackjacking other threads!
lol. why aren't more then a few getting involved in virtually every thread? look through the political threads and you will see it is generally only about 15 or so of the same people posting in every thread.why is that? methinks it's because no one cares. |
Originally Posted by LBR
(Post 4192689)
I know I haven't told you, and I'm pretty sure HNI Administration hasn't told you, so yeah...I'm comfortable with that.
***Do you think you and HNI are the only ones that are in the know? If you do, you are way wrong on that Bro! Again, you have no way of knowing what I know about anything unless I tell you and even then as pompous and "all knowing" as you seem to think you are, you wouldn't believe it anyway! Ok, you tell me that you have been talking to HNI, or better yet p.m. me with specifics concerning what I was talking about, and I'll publicly apologize. I was just explaining my statement, and if you knew as much as you think you do then I wouldn't have needed to explain it. ***You haven't explained anything and if you're so "all knowing" why would I need to do either. As far as you issuing an apology when you obviously never think you're wrong on anything that's discussed, that apology will probably be when pigs fly, LOL! As if those are the only threads that get "highjacked", or that it's only 2 or 3 that do it. Any thread that gets any amount of posts is pretty much guaranteed to take off in any given direction. What is ironic is I don't see any complaints about all those other ones. ***So just because things happen in other Forums and are allowed means you can do whatever you want huh? I'm going to tell you a little secret Bro. I had a chat with HNI Christine some time ago about how the site is run and her comment back was that the Moderators on this website are so different in the extremes that they oversee the Forums they're responsible for that it's impossible to have any kind of uniformity. It's no wonder there are things that go on in a few Forums and nothing is said, but yet others get all kind of deletions and warnings given for what seem to be very minor things. Seems there is a grand total of 2 complaining here...so what is the point? Using your own standards, it's nothing to be concerned over. ***You have no idea what my standards are because you're not me! So how many members will it take to be concerned? 2, 20, 200? What is ironic is that you can't see the forest for the trees because you will never admit you're wrong about anything. IMHO that's a very sad thing for such a religious person who's in your capacity on this site! I could fill a page naming things that aren't political that get discussed on the political board. Like I said, if I don't want to read them, I don't. If I don't want to reply, I don't. Nobody is forcing anyone to read or reply if they don't want to. Funny thing, the one topic that gets "highjacked" that the two of you are referring to isn't a political topic--so why aren't you complaining about it being posted in the first place? |
Originally Posted by kidoggy
(Post 4192693)
**If that were the case, then why aren't a lot more than the 2 or 3 of you getting involved in the discussion?! It would seem that the lack of most of the members getting involved in those discussions when the 2 or 3 of you hijack a thread and take it down the religious path would correlate with exactly what Oltimr is saying. He is not saying that you should be censored, but rather to just have that discussion in an appropriate thread and quit hijackjacking other threads!
lol. why aren't more then a few getting involved in virtually every thread? look through the political threads and you will see it is generally only about 15 or so of the same people posting in every thread.why is that? methinks it's because no one cares. |
Oh well...at least these threads are entertaining, and give some insight to what we are dealing with.
To recap...a religion forum was tried, and it failed--for the most part due to the same types of attitudes (my way or the highway) displayed here. Also, there's been a member here or there get mad, throw their sucker in the dirt, and threaten to leave if things weren't changed to suit them personally. I can think of at least one who's done that a few times. We survived. Finally, the hard part. If you don't want to read a thread or a post, then don't. If you don't want to reply on a thread or to a post, then don't. We can provide specific instructions on how to do this (or not do it) if needed. |
From what I was told the religious forum failed because of you and your minions who trashed anyone who disagreed with you. From what I have seen in the political forum, I believe it.
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lol. LBR HAS MINIONS? I do not but hope to one day:biggrin:
since we have no religion thread I'll just put this here. HE IS RISEN! YA'LL HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE EASTER |
From what I was told the religious forum failed because of you and your minions who trashed anyone who disagreed with you. From what I have seen in the political forum, I believe it. LBR HAS MINIONS? What was it about threads being highjacked and taken totally off course? Who was it complaining about that? Did I mention that hypocrites really bug me? Almost as bad as liars... |
What some folks evidently aren't sharp enough to realize is, if I were anything like certain people accuse me of being HNI Administration would have given me the boot long ago.
If I were anything like what certain people accuse me of being, I would be quite justified in enforcing HNI Posting Rules 2, 3, 5, 8, 15, and 17, along with the paragraph that follows 17. Not real hard to figure out who's telling the truth and who isn't. Dang...there I go with those aggravating facts again. Sure does throw a wrench in a perfectly good agenda doesn't it? :sheep: |
I think you're not only full of baloney and wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the butt, but you're also more than a little paranoid! :sheep::sheep::sheep:
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