Team 7 missing buck score
 

Just so everyone is aware...........we have a problem on our team that has potential to impact the outcome of the contest. We have a member of our team (Spotlight) that took a buck early in the contest and for whatever reason he did not post his buck in the scorecard thread. We have tried repeatedly to contact him but we are not having any luck.

As you can see, this could potentially change the winner of the contest so we really don't know what to do about it. We just thought that everyone should know that we have another buck for our team BEFORE the contest wraps up.

We really don't know what to do about it but just wanted to make the information known BEFORE the contest ended..........so it doesn't sound like sour grapes or something stupid like that. It would just be nice to get credit for all the bucks we took.

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions we would love to hear them. We have tried to solve this issue ourselves but sadly it appears that Spotlight doesn't visit this forum often.

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Well, Its only a contest but I would think a deadline is a deadline. If he does not take his responsibility for the team and post accordingly. I dont see how it would make a difference. Thats my opinion no matter if he was on my team or not. Jan. 31st I last heard was the deadline was it not?

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I just figured that with all the effort that was put into this contest we would want to make sure all the bucks taken were counted........right now they are not.

Especially since the entire contest would/could change based on it.

Personally, I wouldn't want to win or lose without all bucks being counted.............and that is why I posted this BEFORE the contest ended. So everyone would at least be aware and a solution may arise.

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Atlas, I read his posts but I don't see any buck pic, score or a legal post. It is a shame it might effect the out come.

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No doubt.........It sucks for BOTH of our teams...........and the whole contest actually.


I was pretty bummed when I heard this. I would rather he had said he never shot anything or just not heard anything from him at all.

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I agree because I told o2BHNTN that I would take him an hour north of where he lives and put him on some bucks to shoot if needed. Now I have one day left and most bucks probably have dropped their horns.

Oh well it was a fun run anyway. Can't wait til next season.

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I would say this if it were not my team leading. What I am saying is that contest closes the 31st. With that if he does have a buck it should be at least reported by the end of the 31st. I can see waiting longer until the score is finalized. But you can't expect to count a buck a month after deadline? He should at the least have it reported approx. what size and that photo and score will come a few days after. Thats my point. If he did thats great I am happy for him. Regardless if the outcome. Which team wins this means little to me. We all had fun and I will do it again. I would think if he cared at all he would have had it on soon after he supposedly shot it. And if it was as you stated "early in the contest" he had more than enough time to post it. Agreed?

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Exactly why I posted this BEFORE the contest ended.



I don't see anyone suggesting that.


Obviously he doesn't care at all..............which is unfortunate not only for both our teams but the whole contest in general. I am assuming he thought his buck wouldn't make a difference.


WOW..........was he wrong :(


I feel bad for all the people that put effort into and followed the contest.

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I don't think the contest ends until the end of February. I know Arkanasas is still open until February 15. That should buy you some time Atlasman to get this resolved.

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I thought we all agreed on 01-31-05?
BTW-Does anyone hunt in arkanasas?

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lol

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We agreed it would end after ALL seasons were completed. I'm sure out of 200+ hunters someone is from AR.

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Hopefully.


I wouldn't think anyone would want the contest to end this way with all the time and effort some people put into it.

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I would agree with your statement. But the rules were put in place for this very reason. Don't want somebody coming in a month late and saying what about me.

I feel your pain, I really do. But they should just stick to the rules. Once it is over, it is over. Not like it is going to change my results!!:(

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That is why I posted this before the contest ended.........that way at least everyone is aware of the situation.


It's not really about one team...........it's the whole contest in general.

I wouldn't want to win or lose knowing all the bucks were not counted. It is very unfortunate that so much effort was put into this contest by a lot of people and this is the result.


:(

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Not that I care who wins or loses,it's not like we're playing for $1 million but the rules were made clear in the beginning and as you've said you have made repeated attempts to contact him so to me if the deadline has come and gone it's to late. JMHO It would be like if someone killed thier buck today. to late is just that, TO LATE!.

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The whole point is that a buck hasn't been counted that was killed. The guy that killed it obviously doesn't visit here often and so he may not even know it matters.

I am actually surprised that all the members of team 8 seem to not care about this. I really didn't think anyone would want to say they won a contest when truthfully they may not have..........I know I wouldn't.

I have also seen some posts basically saying "Well, the rules are the rules and that is why they are there............can't do anything about it"

There are 5 pictures in the scorecard thread with no bow in the pic...............which was a clear rule.

So which is it??...........are we following the rules tightly or not??



I really thought that some people would have posted some kind of suggestions on what if anything can or should be done about this...........a lot of people put effort and time into this thing........I guess no one cares about it anymore though.

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We better contact Rob. I could care less who wins as long as the contest is fair and honest. By the way........I honestly thought the contest ended on January 31st by the poll. I better do some checking of threads.

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My thoughts EXACTLY.

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According to the poll taken on when to close the contest 52 votes were cast. Results of the poll were:

When should we close the contest?

December 31st 17% (9)

January 15th 17% (9)

January 31st 50% (26)

February 15th 5% (3)

February 28th 9% (5)

As seen above from my copy/paste the last date to "hunt for the contest" was January 31st according to votes. That means January 31 received as many votes as the other options combined. But I have not read where it was made official, unless I am missing reading a thread. I do know there were posts made about making it the last day of the last state's season, which was February 15. I guess we need a ruling.

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I also think that a member should have a few days to get photos developed if he doesn't have a digital camera, in case a buck is taken on the last day. In my opinion 7 days after the last "hunting" day of whenever the closing date is determined to be is plenty long enough. Just my opinion.

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Atlas, It's not like we don't care but there are some linguring issues here.

1 When did you all discover the missing buck? His post about his messed up forked buck was posted back on 1/13/05 and the last post on the thread was 1/17/05. When did you try to contact Spot Light? He did last post on 1/28/05 in the evening. Every PM puts a message in his personal email.
2. As I recall there was a problem with the first few posts. 1 was a tag the other was a bow. They were allowed in and notice was sent out that all must contain a bow and the tag issue was dropped. The ones that are without the bow need to be correctted or they should be disqualified. Plain and simple.
3. It doesn't sound like he even measured it. If it's a messed up forked buck, it will be hard getting 40 points unless his main beams are 10" and a 10" spread at the widest point.
4. The last rule that was put in place was that all disputes must be settled by team captains. I think it maybe that time to take it to that step. Those are real issues brought up in my point above and the contest was to be over by 1/31/05 but let's get a ruling.

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It was sometime after Xmas I emailed/PM'd people to see if anyone was still hunting. Spotlight said he'd gotten a small buck, but didn't think it'd matter in the contest. He said he only had pictures of the rack. Exactly what that means???? He said there were none with his bow in it. Heck I don't even know if there were any with the whole deer. I don't know if the buck would even be big enough to make a difference. I didn't know what to do, cause I don't like bringing up contreversy in a 'for fun' contest. I emailed Rob, and the other members of team 7. I felt the rest of the team should know, but was content to sit on the news to avoid the current situation. Others felt it should be brought to light and here we are. I had made repeated attempts to spotlight thru email and never heard anything back from him.

As far as I am concerned, congratulations team 8. It was a very fun time participating in this event, I hope we still have one next season.

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Thanks rybo, I think that put's it to rest. I would have liked to know about this back then because I was serious about putting O2 in one of my honey holes just so that he could pop a buck if need be. It would have been easy. He was only an hour away. If it's any consolation I doubt it would have scored more then 30 max.

It was a very fun year and I'm glad to see how close our scores were at the end. You all made it a very fun contest. I guess the other teams thought the point was to kill time for quallity points. Maybe they should switch to gun hunting and let 7 and 8 battle it out again next year.

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Just for the record. Maby next season before the contest starts all teams should take a look at how this season ended? And to make sure "ALL buck Big and Small" are scored and posted? It just may make the biggest deference of all? Way to go team-8 and team-7 for a very close finish.

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Answered by rybohunter

I just figured since no one said anything about those pics then spot lights pics would at least be treated the same if they ever even show up.


That doesn't matter to me at all...........I would just like to know that all the bucks killed were counted. Whether or not it changes anything is really of no concern. At least we will all know the true final numbers..........no matter which way they add up.

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A better suggestion IMO would be to make participants post in order to be in the contest. They should have to respond to their teams threads or something and not just go AWOL with no way to contact them. I am willing to bet many teams had members that just popped in for a day and signed up never to return.

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Atlas, I don't mean to sound like I don't care, but maybe it is time you let it rest.

If that individual don't come up with a picture and score, there is really nothing we can do about it. If you have PM'ed and Emailed him, there is nothing left to do. Should we let the contest linger for 2 months while you guys try to track him down?

As I recall, Rob made the call to allow those animals because they were before any gun season ever opened. Plus he is the mod in charge. Somebody can correct me if I am wrong.

Our team hasn't heard from Rack Attack since sometime in early March and he almost always shoots a decent buck, and you don't here us crying. But then again we aren't contending for the #1 spot.

You have to remember, this was a volunteer contest. Nobody made anybody do it. If your member decided he didn't like huntingnet anymore and left (it happens once in a while) he is just gone. We all knew the possibility of someone not posting a score at the beginning. I believe that is why Rob asked for captains.

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I do believe this was done. Teams were picked prior to season and then alternates were place in for teams that couldn't contact members of their team. If you guys didn't contact your team members prior to the alternates being put in, it is just as much your fault as the other guy. I specifcally remember teams crying that they couldn't contact people that signed up. Then Rob supplied a date at which he would put in the alternates and then they were assigned.

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You want the contest to finish with not all the bucks counted?? Seems like a waste to me........all that effort for nothing. I would be saying the EXACT same thing if Team 8 or any other team has a buck that hasn't been counted. What is the use of a contest if you are not gonna count all the deer??

It is about time that you guys realize that this has NOTHING to do with winning or losing. It is all about just doing things correctly. Cougar Mag seems to be the only one able to see that so far.


No one suggested that.


If he shot a buck I hope it gets counted.........just like everyone else.


That is a VERY lame thing to say...........it is very sad that we cannot discuss this topic like adults without people going right to the sour grapes whines.

That is why I did it BEFORE the contest ends...........we should all be mature enough to realize that............sadly it appears we all are not.




Hey.........if it turns out his bucks never gets counted that is just fine by me. I jsut wanted to make sure I brought it up before the contest ended so we didn't mention it down the road and hear other people say "You should have said something earlier"

This is just a FYI kind of thread because I thought everyone else would want to know.


Guess I was wrong.

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The problem as I see it is that your man didn't turn his buck in. He's had every opportunity to do so. If in fact the deadline has come and gone the it's to late. Now you can counter every post on this thread but you ask for a solution and the only one that you're going to agree with is the one that says he still has time. So far it looks like the majority says it's to late, so it seems to me that that is the solution. Contest Over.

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I guess you are right, only Cougar seems to care.

I notice you didn't respond to the fact that alternates were put in when members didn't respond to the team.

I understand your concern with all of the bucks not getting entered. But if I counted right, so far there are 56 guys knew what to do for their buck to count. So it seems the effort was put in by the people that wanted to make the effort.


I applogize if I offended you. I didn't even really think that would offend you. So I am sorry.

But you said it yourself, we are adults and he had the responsibility of turning in his buck and he didn't. Case closed in my opinion, even if he comes in 3 weeks later and tries entering it.


The deadline is the 15th according to Rob, to accomodate the longer seasons in the south.


Once again atlas, I applogize for offending you.

With this being said, I am not going to further this conversation any further. It is a pretty open and shut case if you ask me.

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I guess it should be later then because it seems a lot of teams had members fall off the face of the earth.......yours included. With people that want to participate and couldn't........that is a shame.

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The contest goes to Feb 15th as far as I can tell from Rob's posting so I don't know what you are trying to imply.

No one has offered an idea of what if anything should be done at all. Every reply has been from team 8 saying "We don't care but......Sorry.........rules are rules and you're too late"

Well it appears that it is not too late so can we drop all the pettiness and figure out what if anything can be done to insure all bucks killed are counted??

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Can you give me a minute man...........I am installing a new refridgerator I bought today so sorry if my hands aren't on the keyboard 24/7. I responded now.......geeesh :eek:


Couldn't agree more..................and this is not about any single person. The entire contest will be a waste of time if all the bucks are not counted. That is the real shame of this.


No problem...........I appreciate you being man enough to apologize when your words offend someone.........whether you meant it or not. That's more then I can say for some people around here. Sorry if I took your comment out of context.


I agree............and once the contest is closed it is closed. That is why I brought this up now. I really thought anyone involved with the contest would want to solve this if possible before it wraps up.................No one is asking for a buck to be added late or dishonestly. I am really surprised at the amount of negative responses this has gotten. You would think that no one would have a problem with a legally killed buck being entered before the contest ends.

The contest is still open as far as I know...............so what is the problem?? All I am suggesting is that we try and figure out what kind of pics we have of Spotlights deer and go from there. If they are unacceptable then so be it...........but to just pretend he didn't shoot a buck is very odd IMO.

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From my research, he said he didnt get any pictures of the buck he shot..

So........ I dont know what to tell ya.

Can't go by word of mouth, thats for sure.

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Atlas, unless your man can produce a photo, there is nothing left to do. If a pic of the rack was produced, I guess team captains would have to vote as to the authenticity of the kill, since no deer or bow photos exist.

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DC is right.

Best thing we can do is first get ahold of him and have him produce a picture of the said buck. Something is better than nothing. Then as DC said put it to a team captain vote if the pics a vague.

That is why captains were put into place IMO

Other than that I would say we are on a dead end street here.

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FINALLY.................someone offers an idea. I have sent out another PM and email to him to see if he can produce a pic of any kind.


Thanks for being objective.