Single red dot VS peep and pins
 

Hi all,

Currently I have a peep-and-pins sights on my CB. My only alternative is a red-dot with a single dot (believe me it IS my only option).

I like the compactness of the red-dot, the fast engagement and the clear view. However, I dont know how badly it effects accuracy. In any case, I cant have an accurate rangeing. Only a fast judgment "by eye". So the peep and pins arangement is not 100% accurate either.

Assuming the red dot is sighted at a would be optimum mid-range. How much worst would the red-dot be compared to peep and pins? What would be YOUR choise?

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What are you talking about? You can't use a rf? peep and pin not 100% accurate? I've found a peep and pin as accurate as a scope, just not as versatileat different ranges.......
I'm considering hunting w/ them this fall. some red dots allow parallax if you don't mount the stock the exact same every time. I'd sight either at 25 yds. You can also get a halographic sight like a red dot but parallax free. I have one of them also, got it off Ebay for $50 it's a NorthStar [chinese] No Bushnell or Zeiss but not $250 or $400 either.

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Here is what I use on my crossbow. I love it.

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/h...ot-p-2850.html

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Try em all and then go with what you like. That'sthe bottom line. That's what I did and I use nothing but reflex non magnifying sights. Single dot use for 35 yards and closer it's The Zeiss Z-Point....expensive but worth every penny. Another good single dot holo sight is the Pride Fowler.Nothing else is even close to the Z-Point as to versatility, features and being bullet-proof. For 3 dot sights for shots out to 70+ yards, I use Ten Point and Stryker sights. quality is not Zeiss for sure but they are the only games in town for 3 dots that I would use. I tried a Truglo holo and it does not measure up. Sorry:-( I see no logical reason to use a heavybig bulky rifle type scope on an already heavy close range crossbow. If you do, have at it:-) JMO

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As far as smaller, single red dotsights go, I've been happy with these two.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-fastfire-w-picatinny-mount-4-moa-dot-mat-fastfire-sight.html#

http://www.opticsplanet.net/atn-corp-cmp-dusrs.html

And as has been said, the Stryker sight is nice but much larger.

As you'll see, the Optics Planet site has many to choose from.

Mike

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I still can't get past the thought of my whole hunt depends on a glowing light. Crosshairs don't go dim or fail to light up every time. I have great luck in things going wrong at the right moment and I can't see a red dot being any different for me.

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Bird, have faith man! :-) I've never had a reflex sight failure......even with the Asian manufactured ones I use.

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Peep and pin setting is perfectly accurate only in the shooting range, where you know the EXACT distance to the target, and the pin is sighted to THAT distance.

But in the field, the distance is (in my case) an educated guess work, and usualy some judicious hold over/under is required, because none of the pins is sighted there. Combine "guess" with "judicious", and the "perfect" is gone from the accuracy.

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For several years now we (in Israel) use red dots on our army guns. If we trust our lives DAILY on this technology, I think it's dependable enough for a hobby.

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You don't have my luck. I could never be a tester for any product. I seem to always get the one that has issues.

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I really like to have multiple aiming reference points to allow me to accurately gage the proper hold for those in-between yardages. My Vixen is no speed demon of a crossbow after all, and I do have to make allowances for those 5 yard increment shots out to 30 yards. For me, if it came down to a choice between red dot and peep/pins, I'd leave the red dot in the box.

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Bird! :-) It's working fine now isn't it?

Ivuv ......thanks! :-)

Arthur, I have a bag full of crossbow pins and those horrible peeps. I'll send them to anyone wanting them...............free:-)

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Athur,

I'm shipping a set for your Vixen out to youtomorrow. Have fun. Watch out for that peep sight in low light hunting conditions:-) The deer will disappear on you when you look though the peep! The Zeiss Z-Point and Pride Fowler Holo sight will absolutely not do that. If you can see the deer with both eyes open you'll be able to see him through these sights , I dont care how dark it is. I don't know of any other sight I can truthfully say that about. There is no need to return the pin and peep sight. It's yours :-)

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for $450 thatz point better come with a knockout model in a bikini and an 18 pack of beer...



I'm sure the zeiss z point is a nice sight but I, like most guys I'm sure, just cant see spending $450 for a red dot sight no matter how much nicer it may be(or may not be) than the next red dot on the shelf, especiallyto put ona crossbow that wasnt that much itself to buy, and more so yet when it isnt the even the answer(maybe not even close)to the "whats the perfect crossbow sight" question...

I've used halo's and other various higher end lighted sights and I can easily affordone if I were to have that inclination but theres just no way I'd spend that much for a red dot sight, not even for my handguns, and especiallynot for acrossbow(or any bow),when theres other sights/scopes out there thatwork justas good(maybe better depending on your preference)for a fraction of the price...

I like the lumi zone... the magnification doesnt bother me much, Ihave 4x scopes on a couple of my small game rifles and those shots usually arent much more than 40 yards either, alot of times at fast moving game... the lowest power scope I have on a deer rifle is 3x...
zero powered red dot scopes are fine for fast target acquisition, and I do havea couple red dots(tasco's)on a couple of my hunting handguns where fast target acqusitionis more of a priority and usuallyneeded(a browning buck mark .22 anda .44 super redhawk) and I do like them for that purposebut I just dont have much need for fast target acquisition in my bow hunting, precision and confidence inwhere I'maimingare more important to me, and the little bit of extra size/weightthe lumi zonehas over any other sight is pretty small, and pretty irrelevant IMO compared to the advantages it offers, and if its too dark to see the animal through the scope then I just wont shoot, regaurdless of what sight I have... IMO itdoesnt add up the the extra weight/awkwardness of an on bow quiver and its mount/hardware that alot of guys like to run, or an on bow mounted range finder, but thats just my own opinion, everyone likes their own thing...

RE: Single red dot VS peep and pins
 

So you wouldn't put a $450.00 sight on this?

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Or this?

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Or this?

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Or this? :-) I disagree with much of your post but that's the fun of having many choices. I know of nothing more important in my bowhunting than what I see or don't see and the difference in marginal quality optics and great optics can be subtle but I'll take all the help I can get. You are right, it's all about personal opinions.............and I value mine more so than yours.(just having fun here)

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I forgot one!!!!! :-) Can't get too much of a good thing :-)

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Moon ya da man!;)

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No, just crazy

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LOL!
There are some guys who spend more for the optics than they spend on thier bows or rifles. Others would rather eat dirt. I am of the first camp and don't care what the other camp does but at the same time would like to understand the reasoning. I said understand not hear, LOL!
I love my Bushnell Holos but never understood just how good they were until I used them. Some day I'll get an Ecotech and a Zeiss Z-Point.

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:DHey Moon! Tell me more about the air pistol.

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It's a muzzle loader..............Knighthawk 50 caliber. Been discontinuedfor years. It's like new and shoots Shock Wave 250 grain bullets in front of 70 grains of Triple Seven. 2" groups at 50 yards:-) I converted it to use shotgun primers. The Contender is a 14" barrel 45/70!! Now that's a handfull. I also have a 12" barrel in 45/70 but it's even too unpleasant for me to shoot it and I think recoil is cool on handguns:-) Zeiss Z-Point is the only reflex sight I've used that will withstand that punishment.

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I knew I'd seen one of those pistols before but couldn't place it to save my life. I'm pretty much a traditionalist when it comes to ML's, but I always thought that was one cool looking gun.

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With guns, I'm the same as with crossbows.....I love them all. Here is my 1841 Mississippi 58 caliber that I hope to get a buck with this fall................and no, there will be no Z-Point on this one

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Great posts and informative for a newbie X bowyer like me...
Moonie... you are my kind of guy... love those guns too.... I must try the zeiss...
dk

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I've been experimenting with peep and pin for the past couple of weeks (MANY THANKS, Moonkryket!!!) and have decided the varizone is going back on. Peep and pins might be workable for younger eyes, but I kept getting a krick in my neck from whipping back and forth from pin to target with my bifocals.[8D]

Really, the blur from the pin covers up the entire kill zone on a McKenzie deer at 30 yards. Much better to have that crosshair superimposed on the center of the 10-ring - or the nock of the poor fool that shot before me. ;)

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A multi dot scope like the the Excaliber Varizone or Lumizone is a great alternative. I use the Lumizone.