Lumi-Zone Scope Question
 

As my new Exocet 200 will have the Lumi-zone scope, I cannot wait to get it before I ask a question about it. I know you can dial it to what fps your crossbow shoots. Is it like the red dots in that when you get it sighted in at 20 all the other dots fall into place (10, 30, 40, 50)?Are there any adjustments you have to make before firing at any range shot? I tried to find online some kind of instructions but have yet to do so. If anyone can take the time how the scope works I'd certainly appreciate it.

Thanks!

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Here's my shot at explaining them. They are actually vaiable magnification scopes, around 2x to 4x. The magnification or speed ring is graduated in fps rather than 2x, 3x, 4x, ect. Once you sight the crosshairs in at 20 yds, you shoot at longer ranges, 30 ,40, or 50 yds using the appropriate aim point under your crosshair.Each of the three are for an additional 10 yds.These aim points are small triangles on the verticle hair. You turn your speed ring up or down to adjust the elevation of your poi. The speed ring adjustments have nothing to do w/ your 20 yd sight in and crosshairs. The only way your 20 yd will change is if you make the mistake of trying to tweak your longer distance poi's by adjusting w/ sight-in turrets, i.e. up or down, left or right. The graduations on the speed ring are approximate, not precise, so don't think you can use your V-zone or L-zone as a chrony, lol. if you can set up at 40 after 20, and get the poi on there, your 30 and 50 will be so close to dead nuts you won't believe it. You will notice a triangle on your horizontal hair on each side where they narrow down. These are aim points for walking deer at 25 yds, pesonally, I don't shoot at moving deer. There is also one on vert hair above horizontal hair. It's for 10 yds, the first range you should try after mounting scope. Pyp will tell you all about that sooner or later, he has it down to an artform, lol. Use your xhair at 10 yds to make sure you are close, not the 10 yd aim point, that's for hunting and a 10 yd shot. You will also find if you range a target or deer at odd number ranges like 25 or 35, bracketing them/it w/ triangles puts you spot on. Good luck!!

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Looking at this picture, they are set to shoot at 20 yards right (the only place the horizontal and vertical lines intersect)? I guess I'm confused in the difference betweenthe 10 yard aim point and the 10 yard xhair point.


Nevermind, I cant ever seem to get pictures to work. Here is the link to the picture:

http://hires.basspro.com/is/servlet/izoom/BassPro/87805?

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"the difference betweenthe 10 yard aim point and the 10 yard xhair point"
There is only one 10 yd aim point, the upside down triangle above x hairs.
Btw: thanks Reb!!

Clear as mud yet?? lol. another little factoid about them is the clicks on turrets are 1/2" ea. at 20. excal tells you all of this in the paperwork that comes w/ them, but I never bothered to read mine either, lol. guys don't read directions til they get stuck, lol, nature of the beast!! Have fun!!

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Thanks Reb! that just became my desktop photo.

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Hey pyp!! Pm him your set-up instructions if ya got em filed somewhere. they are the best on the net!!

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Copied and pasted from my excalibur post..

First, pay no attention to the numbers on the scope, they are there for reference, not by any means accurate.
1st, level[/b] the scope properly, that is very important for shots beyond 20 yards.
Take a shot at the center of the target at 10 yards, if it is within 6 inches of where you aimed move back to 20 yards.
2nd, set your vertical at 20 yards, put a line on the target taller than 6" or so and shoot, pay no attention to your horizontal, just tune the scope to that line with your windage dial (right side of scope).
3rd, do the same thing with the horizontal now, put a horizontal line on the target and tune it in to that line, paying no attention to the vertical.
Now you should be inside an inch square from a shot now, at 20 yards. make sure that is true by doing multiple shots.
Once you know you are good at 20 yards move to 40. Set your scope speed dial to what you think you should be shooting, again aiming at the horizontal line (don't worry about vertical) and let one fly. If that arrow is high turn up the speed on the speed ring, if it is low, turn it down. Keep going until it is hitting the line.
You can now safely step back to 50 and try that shot again, the farther back you go in the scope checking for speed the more accurate the 30 and 40 are going to be.
Once the speed dial is set you can go back up to 30 and get a very good idea of how the set-up just went.


-Shooting from 10 is more of a precaution than anything when setting up, just to make sure the scope isn't so far off you miss your target.
-Keep an eye on your brace height, it will trick you into thinking your scope is off, this is especially important when using a new string.
I can clarify on any of this if you need..

Your arrow combination has nothing to do with the scope settings, as long as the arrows are consistent. If you switch arrows in any way you have to repeat this procedure, or what ever procedure you chose to use.
I use the same arrow combination as you, and am very happy with it.

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Thanks guys. I guess I could have waited until I actually get the crossbow. But I'm pretty sure as soon as I get her I'm gonna run out and shoot it. WHo has time to read instructions???

Pydpiper, I might be sending you a pm asking for some clarification on a few things. I'm still digesting what you said though, it was late last night when I read it.


Thanks again!

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PM answered! Good luck and shoot safe.
I can't take credit for this infinite wisdom though, it was trickled down to me in about 400 PM's...

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I set my speed ring to approximately my REAL velocity (the factory info is generally inflated by 20 fps). Then sight in for a 20 yard zero using the crosshairs. The triangle above then becomes my 10 yard sero, first triangle down the 30 yard zero and so on.
In case you run out of adjustment on your scope turrets. If the bow is shooting high and you cant get it to adjust lower, puit a shim (I used a piece of alluminum pop can) under the FRONT ring. If it's shooting low, shim the BACK ring.

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Which ones are inflated by 20 fps? Excals are near spot on if you use stock arrows and FFF string.I see they now come w/ dacron, but my emax had the FFF w/ it a few years back.

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Awshucks.
I'm talking about results for my Excalibur and a Parker. Both are overstated with the factory strings they come with according to my chron. The Excal, is low even with the Flemish string. I'm not ragging on either, fine bows, just don't give me the promised speed. That proved to be the case with the Vortex I tried too... with both my chron and the stores'. Under ideal consitions, with the lighest possible arrow, a ( minimum strand) Flemish string and the string set as low as possible I'm sure it can happen. I'm saying it don't unless everything is that way. (That's why the asteric behind the speed rating in the ads).
By the way, your comment based on chroned results? Or you just getting defensive about your Excal?

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Cossack: Chrony results w/ a caveat. I'm shooting 431 gr vs 357 gr stock, which I never chronied. I've read alot of places you lose 1 fps for every 5 gr weight increase. 431-357=84 gr/5= 16-17 fps. W/ FFF string and 431's I get 285-290 fps from my Phoenix and 328 fps from Emax.A few fps over the advertised 305 for Phoenix and about the same under for the Emax. It appears to be a bow by bow thing as the Excal guys seem to range pretty close to advertised specs w/ stock arrows.I also am using the "high" mark for a brace height, knowing the lower gives the highest fps. No offense meant, I just don't believe 20 fps low is an accurate evaluation of Excals advertised speeds.

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No offense meant either Awshucks, but that has been my chroned results using stock carbon bolt with 4'' vanes, and 100 gr field tip. The 2" vanes are just a bit faster but still don't reach athe advertised speed using the Excel string. The 24 strand FF Flemish is a bit faster but still won't hit 330 fps with my Vortex, it's advertised speed. And just barely hit it with the Equinox.
But, I guess it don't matter, my nephew shot a foot short at 40 yards by using the wrong aimpoint on the LumiZone tonight. The bolt skipped up, after digging in pretty hard, and still went through 5/8" cedar board backing for half the length of the bolt. So, I'm not going to quibble about 20 fps.

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My my speed, i don't have a chrony. I did use Dan's, with my Phoenix using the FFF string and 494gr. 2219's i got 265/266 fps avg. fer over 50 shots. I love to shoot logs,[:o]they smack the crap out things they hit!:D[8D]

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I'm guessing here, help me out, lol, but stock Excal arrows don't have 4" vanes they have 5". If you have brass inserts vs alum, you have Miller Killers, lol, not stock 357 gr Excals.

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You are absolutely right, awshucks, my bad.They're Bemans with 4" vanes. They "came with the bow'' but it was a 'local' package. I do shoot the Gold Tips Lazer II's that Excal (used to) sell with the bow, the ones with the 5'' vanes and aluminum inserts, as my hunting arrow. Those I havn't chroned (yet) but I don't expect them to be as fast.