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Interesting hearing the views on Xbows. I am new to the sport. Got arthritis in the shoulder and it HURTS to draw my traditional bow. I got started in archery in themid 60's. Shot a Herter's (anyone else remember them?) recurve until I was exposed to compounds. Horse traded for a Carroll compound in 70 or 71 I think it was. Have used that bow ever since. It was always enough bow for me even considering its size and weight. I too remember the uproar about compounds, but it calmed down. I remember when there was quite a bit of concern over mechanical releases. That calmed down also. Never really had an opinion on Xbows, but over the years I listended to a lot of debate on them in the archery shops. Had a friend who let me shoot his older Barnet Xbow, I was amazed. Yes, they are easier to shoot than a traditonal bow, but they seem to have to same hunting and target hadicaps as traditional bows, just easier to hold on target. They ARE NOT the killing machines that the traditional bow shooters fear they are. They can't be used for hunting in Colorado YET, but I hope that changes soon as I can no longer hold at drawand shoot a traditional bow with enough accuracy to hunt. I am sure as more and more hunters find themselves in a position like mine, there will be more support for hunting with Xbows. I have lurked on several of the Xbow forums for quite awhile. Gathering information. :-) Asked a few newbie questions and almost everyone said to shoot or at least hold as many Xbows as I could and pick the one that felt best. Wish I could have done that, but I visited 7 sporting goods and archery shops and found 1 Xbow. So I had to trust what I heard and order online. I just ordered an Excalibur Exomax and accessories. Will be used just for target shooting until the laws change here in Colorado. This is a great forum and the friendliest I have found so far. Thanks to all who have welcomed me.

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Welcome, glad you have come to hang around and be a part of our forum! Great CB by the way its an Elephant killer fer sure!:D

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GNeral I remember the fight at the biginning of the compound, but i have been lucky to hunt in an area that has (in my memory) allwed crossbows forever.

You are also incorrect about not being able to use crossbows in Colorado. Arthritis in the sholder is deemed a disability by most Dr's and back in 2002-2003 a disabled hunter in Col sued and won the right to use the crossbow. Here is part of postings from back then.
Since that date, I know that crossbows has opened up right across the country because of his Federal Suit he won. Some States opened up crossbows totally to everyone after some residents filed against them. You see the Federal Government ruled that they cold not EXCLUDE crossbows from the disabled, as well, they could NOT CHARGE them any fees that other hunters were not charged (no fees for the permits, unless abled bodied hunters were charged the same fees).

IF I was you, I would look into the permitfor your personal use.

Good luck.

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Gnerol, I hunt in Colorado with my crossbow. I just hunt in the rifle seasons. Colorado has a lot of opportunities for rifle hunters. For example, last year in my hunt unit (20) I got a private land tag for bucks that lasted 4 months- much longer than the archery season. I took a nice buck with the crossbow in Nov. (see "The Thousand Shot Buck" in this forum if interested in the story). The year before, I had a rifle tag for a cow elk that I harvested with my crossbow. Some of the rifle seasons are fairly short, but most late seasons (in some units) last 12 days. For me, if I can hunt the full 12 days, it usually enough time to get several chances at animals. My buck last year was taken on day 8 and I had passed up somesmaller bucksbefore that.There's a rifle bear hunt in Sept. that's during the archery season that's actually longer than the archery bear season. Where do you live in Colorado? I'm in Estes Park.

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Grumpy Tom & grndhntr. Thanks for the info about Colorado Xbow hunting, I just looked at the archery season rules. I do not want to claim to be disabled, I am not. It just hurts too much to draw and hold my traditional bow. Gives me the shakes and my accuracy goes to heck. I will not take the chance on wounding an animal. I did not know it was legal to hunt with an Xbow during the rifle seasons. I guess that would be better than nothing, but I quit hunting during the rifle seasons after being shot at. Not sure I want to be in the woods with the sound shooters again. grndhntr I live a short ways up the Poudre Canyon, North and West of Ft. Collins. I will definitely look up your post about the "thousand shot buck". Thank you very much for the info. It is nice to know there are options even here. Sure wish I could understand why the traditional bow hunters are SO against Xbows.

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WELCOME!

Wow! Another old fart like me!:D:D:D:DGN, the first ammo press and dies i had were Herters!:)Somewherein my many, many, many Books, Manuals and Arms company Brochures of the early 60's, I have a couple of early 60's Herters Catalogs.:)

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Hi GNerol.
They are scared that a CB hunter might shoot " thier " BUCK...But like was said earlier.
Crossbows are more traditional then Compounds...also they think the woods would become shoulder to shoulder with hunters..Heck just go out opening gun season,its a war zone..................

Iam also a compound and Trad shooter but due to nerve damage I cant draw thos anymore,hopefully I will be able to shoot my Trad bows again.

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Welcome to the forum.

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Welcome, great bunch of guy's hear alway's willing to help!!
Bill

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Welcome to the forum GNero, That makes 3 old farts, your story sounds like mine even the same timelines. I started out with a Shakespear recurve in the sixities then went to a compound in the seventies, me and Arther started running around together in the eighties, I held him off till 2002 before he whooped my ---. I got my handicap permit in 03 and joined the excalibur forum to get my training wheels. Alot of us have been where you are now. These old and young farts will help you on your journey. Martinfaw (Tar Heel ) on excal. forum

PS REb I still have some of the Herters hand loaders cost $5.98

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welcome to the forum you old fart. (i'm an old fart too....hehe.) you bought one of the best xbows made. you will not regret going with an excalibur. love my exocet. never heard of one person who regretted buying an excal. enjoy. btw you don't have to be "disabled" to get an xbow permit. only disabled to the point where you can't use a conventional bow. good luck.:D

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Gnerol, You live in a great place. I kinda cut my teeth bowhunting in high school in the Poudre Canyon. I hunted a lot in the Rustic area and did some up near Red Feather and in the Larimie River Valley/ Rawah Wilderness. If you decide to hunt a rifle season, I would suggest that you look at the limited seasons and find a season and area that has a low quota. That way there won't be asmany hunters out there. For example, it sounds like you may live in unit 191 or 19. For elk, the quota (# of tags issued) for the first season in unit 191 is only 65 and unit 19 only has 200. There will also be a few deer hunters out during that time, but the chances of running into other hunters is diminished in that particular season as opposed to others where they allow more tags. Also, just another note, you must wear orange when hunting during rifle seasons even if hunting with a "lesser" weapon so those rifle hunters should see you. The only time I've been scared that I might get shot was when I was hunting during archery season and a ML hunter leveled his gun at me. Of course, I was not wearing orange during the archery season but the ML season is right in the middle of the archery season here. It might be safer to hunt with a crossbow (and orange vest and hat) than it is to hunt the archery season and be sneaking around in camo. There are other regular rifle seasons during the archery season too. In unit 20 where I live, the private land rifle season starts Sept. 1st as does a rifle bear season and shotgunners after grouse start hitting the woods at that time too. Any bowhunter has to be careful, no matter what season they hunt.
I'd like to meet you if you're ever up here in Estes. I also get down to FC quite a bit too. My parents live not far from the Poudrenear Bellvue.

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Man, $5.98! A person had to work 4 hrs to make that much!:D:D:D:D:D

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new guys welcome to tha forum, and i aint old, but i can fart, so i hope that counts for somethin around here...........

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welcome,great place here,good people to!:)

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finally someone on here said real reason crossbows are disliked..its not crossbow its crossbow hunters in archery season..

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COMPOUND SHOOTERS ARE SCARED THAT CB SHOOTERS WILL TAKE THIER BUCK.....ITS NOT THIER BUCK TO TAKE TO START WITH>>>>>REFERING TO THE COMPOUND OR TRAD SHOOTER..

What about the BP hunter or Rifle hunter ??? maybe it was thier buck and not the compound or Trad shooters deer to take....

If compound shooters are are so worried I think they should sell all thier rifles and BPrifles and hunting pistols and shoot compound only.I think alot of compound and trad hunters would go a long time without getting a deer if THEY couldnt use thier long guns...After all its only fair for the guy/gal that only hunts with a rifle,,, Right.

This is just a statement..;):D

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Sproulman, if you have been elected spokesman for the new sport of compound bow archery you are doing a terrible job. Continuously blanketing each statement you come across with telling the word that compound bow hunters are selfish is getting them nowhere.
Also, you keep referring to them as a whole, this is not the truth. There are many compound hunters out there who are quite happy to have another hunter in the woods and don't see it as a dislike. If you choose to speak for a group you should also mention that is is not all of them, just a few selfish ones that require an entire bush to themselves to harvest an animal.
Listening to your verbal diarrhea is very similar to listening to someone protest hunting in general, you should get you priorities straight. If this is something you believe so strongly in why don't you just stay where there are others who share your disproportioned beliefs? Why is it you insist on coming here to preach your "the whole world revolves around me" perspective?
I am speaking solely for myself, but I am certainly growing bored with it, your point is taken, the bow-hunters you know are selfish.

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WELCOME, great place to get info. I should because I'm new also, ask a few they will tell you. to crossbow that is I don't think I've got on anybodys nevers If I have I didn't mean to. Just trying to learn about the CB.

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i dont belong to any group,only local sportsman clubs,i belong to 3 clubs..sadly my diarrhea is shared by the majority i see and talk to, in fact, i have yet to talk to anyone that sticks up for a crossbow hunter unless they are truly disabled..

i only comment what i hear and my personel opinion..the archery hunters are scare they are going to be flooded with hunters in archery do to CROSSBOW..how you change those views is beyond me, maybe time will heal ..

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JK, you know we don't want to hear or discuss your dribble so why do you dribble here?

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As you've mentioned in one of your many PMs to me you've had threatening phone calls. Are these post an example of why it happens? Another thing. Here's a quote from your PM to me. I think that you are not a man of his word!Inbox

From: sproulman To: Dnk Date: 3/1/2007 9:34:35 PM Subject: RE: dont put ......

being it bothers you so much, i will not comment on forum on crossbows,only on PM