Leafy vs. non leafy camo
 

Anyone like on more than the other ? Or find both do the job ? I want to stalk quite a bit this year and just received my order from BPS for my 3-d leafy camo ... not alot of leaves .... just enough to break up your arms, shoulders, etc. Quiet material. Now I just need to go hide in a bush to see if anyone can see me ! :) ..... 9 more days till opening !

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I use mainly ASAT for big game hunting. The leafy stuff seems to work when you are close up.

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DNK .... you feel that their guarentee is correct .... they will buy your stuff back if you don't see more game than before .... you agree ? You find that this brand works well ? I've always wondered how much the camo really looks like anything different to the deer's eye .... i have believed for some time now that the camo patterns are for the hunter, not the animals. I do like that guarentee though .... just hard to look at camo like that with the human eye and think that it works that well .... not arguing the fact .... i think alot just has to do with the approach anyways. Thanks for pointing the brand out though ... never seen it before

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Ken, ASAT is a patern. It fools or confuses the eye. I have had my buddy look at me in an open field of dried grass and he couldn't see me, same as in trees and brush. Works for me! The single biggest problem is that camo is made for the human eye (to sell to) and some hunters looking at is cannot believe it works. The guarrantee? well donno what to say other than that I don't think you will be sending it back.

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deer cant see you on colors anyhow, so any camo works..movement is what they see no matter what you are wearing..i wear a brown tossel hat,camo shirt and black blue jeans...been doingthis a long time..the only thing camo is good for is other hunters cant see you to well..i get kick out of hunter up 20 ft in air with full camo on including his face, hehe..i hunt from 12 ft to 15 max,and the only reason deerknew i was there was because wind gave me away,only happened few times..you should see some of these hunters up 20-25 ft,wind blowing and they are swaying in the trees,with full camo on,oh my..

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I bought the Red Head 3D suit before I posted .... was just looking for input as to whether anyone used it and had success and found it any better than anything else they use .... i realize that the camo is more for the hunter than the beast ..... I wanted to get the 3D stuff to mask more movement .... breaks up your outline a little more ..... plus .... because its a cover suit rather than insulation a) it allows me more options in clothing under the camo and b) can use it for various types of hunting .... the more important factor to me was to get good cover scent (ie activated carbon or collidal silver) and scent masking base layers. I've watched enough video on these creatures now and realize that even though they have good eyesight (less the colour spectrum) they are constantly smelling their environment ....

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youre right, camo clothing is not necessary, it only makes us feel good..deer cant see you with any clothes.nose is their protection..i dont buy cover scents..i take in my yard,start a fire with birch or apple wood..apple is fine if your have apple trees where you hunt..pine needles are great to smoke your clothes.i then hold clothes in smoke for few minutes..then into a feed bag,kind you carry corn in.tie it off.you can use garbage bag also..this is best cver scent you can have..those things you buy, well, each their own.. i dont use them and i am only up in tree about 12 ft,maxis 15 ft. i use ladder stand on BIG oaks,brown tossel hat, camo shirt and black blue jeans,lacroose alpha burlys..take care..

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Don't agree! The dyes used on camo are UV enhanced. If you don't use a UV blocker on your camo, deer will spotyou in a second in low light. If you have any doubts, buy a Black Light, spread your camo on the bed, turn off all the lights and watch all the colors Glow in Florecent. Then try it agin after UV treatment.

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they don't see colour ..... but likely have the highest constrasting eyesight available to animals .... so if UV does bounce off of the clothing you would stick out like a sore thumb .... especially in low light conditions were their eyesight is most helpful to them. Never really thought of UV treatment before though. Good heads up Rebel. Thanks

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HuntingNet.com - Seen Through the Eyes of a Whitetail…You Could Be Glowin’!

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Good post Rebel .... the issue is .... no one really knows for sure .... the people that are supposed to know have argued it for eons and the only ones that could really tell us don't talk (the deer .... and other animals with dichromatic vision) people that are colourblind cant discern between certain colours ... not that they look different to them .... i get the just of the article .... important to test your threads ..... I wish they have had a better representation of the camo patterns tested (ASAT vs. something someone might actually buy and actually stating that the the pattern on the left has already been treated with UV covering, uncertain if ASAT comes stock like that). All information is vital and pertinent, just believe what you will believe.Again, cudos for bringing this article to everyone's attention

check this link out for some interesting insight

http://www.mcw.edu/cellbio/colorvision/test1.htm

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interesting info folks, thanks.i am open to anything new that is out.only for 45 years i used no camo and no problems,but i never asked deer if they saw me..when you sit on rock in open area,in orangeand have 5 bucks walk by you years ago and no reaction from deer, you have to wonder..

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I will have to side with reb on this one. I used to think that deer are color blind and yes they are but I seen on a discovery channel show once that talked about how deer and others see. Sure they dont see the rainbow like us, but since they need to see at dark they can see other things that we cant, Like UV. I bought a bib and coat set up and was spotted alot the first year I wore it. The fallowing summer was when I seen the show, bought some hunters UV soap at wal-mart and now I very rarly get seen. The only time I get spotted is when I am trying to move into position.

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Right Jason, it's not the colors they see, but the Fluorescent Glow from the UV enhancers they use in the dyes to make them seem brighter and prettyer to the consumer.

Do most of you know what UV enhancers are?

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Believe that if you like , but here's how they really see , and yes they can see certain colors:

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Right on Kev!



Dichromatic vision is how some colorblind humans and deer visually perceive the world during daylight. They see in various shades of yellow to brown and are particularly adept at seeing the color blue and its shades. In addition, whitetails can also see Ultraviolet or light in the color range that causes fluorescence or glow. This light is imperceptible to humans, but allows deer to see in what we perceive as darkness. Deer can run through the woods at night without running into trees because they see in the UV range. UV can cause fluorescent glow at several color points, but the critical color for hunters is between 430 & 460 nanometers….this is BLUE. The short blue glow is almost invisible to humans but corresponds with the peak of sensitivity of the white-tailed deer. Unlike humans, whitetails do not have a filter in their eyes to filter out UV light. They see the GLOW.


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How the human eye views modern day camo patterns


The same camo through the eyes of a whitetail deer. Are you glowing?[/align]

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Thanks for that post Kevin. Thats what I was trying to remember when I made my post but could not. Its those ROD PHOTORECEPTORS that they have that the show I watched that talked about. They have alot more of them in certain areas of the eye and thats how they pic up on that stuff. Good pic, it should help alot understand. I thinkpeople are right about blue jeans and flanel shirts. Its like reb says when you go and by the fancy camo stuffthey put more uv into it to make it look good to us, but then it works in reverse to the deer.

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This thread is giving me a headache!

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That's better than Hemorrhoids!:D