Why Wheels?
 

I was justglancing with love at my Pheonix and a couple of thoughts came to mind. I understand the advantages of cams and wheels on my Hoyt but what are the supposed advantages of a compoundcrossbow? It's not like let-off is an issue althoughI would think that a lighter let-off would allow for a lighter trigger pull. Does a 65# pull longbow shoot as flat as a 65# pull compound? The recurve is just so simple.Is it theaxle lengthcause I know I won't be sneaking thru the woods with the Excalibur. It's as wide as my wife.

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you done listed a couple of advantages ,, I will leave this can of worms for the other guys,, it ought to spark a heated debate..

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Too many moving parts make me worry , neither of mine have training wheels .

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Training wheels, thats a good one. You have the best, all those wheels and cables don't add anything but worries. Do i hear my Maytag running?:D

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It was fun to read at first but you excal guys are running it in the ground. As you said if you want to drag something as wide as your wife, I see you respect her as much as other crossbows then a recurve is the way to go. And and you get more FPS per pound with wheels then you then you do with recurve. My super max shoots 325 with 175 pound pull, a 175 pound pull pheonix only shoots at 305. So if you like going wider and slower for the draw weight then ya embrace your millennia old technology. Sure the Euromax goes 350 fps buy the sales ad, but alot a good a wide illegal CB would do me in Ohio since alot of states have a 200# restriction. Most of us horton guys (me and the tree rat) realized it was pointless to debate the mighty excal hence the lacking post, looks like htoler is realizing it to he knows his ten point is good. If you need constant self gratification I think excal has a scratch your own back forum. I just don't kown what I am going to do when I need to change my string while in the stand[:o] Sorry htoler, I have been just sitting back watching a few of you guys do all the arguing with this crowd.

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Hey its all ok with me ,, they make me use my brain and do reserch,, its kinda like if you like a vehicle with a standard Transmission.. you are going to swear by it .. no matter how good someone says an automatic trans is..

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I am ready!

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Hey Hotburn: Ya got some good points!! Lemme tell ya'll that E'max is way more bow than I need! It's a beast to cock even w/ ropecocker. I slowed mine down some w/ different string and heavier arrows [431 gr] Did the same w/ Phoenix. Lost 15-20 fps on both, but got rid of alot of vibration and noise. I barely shoot the Emax any more, dang thing wears me out!! They will all do the job on deer, another point you made, and the sooner we can all get started, the better off we'll be!!

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[:o]I've been hijacked:D[:-][&o]Really how fast is yer Bow? You have shot thru the chrony? 320/325fps what weight total arrows? and the length? My Phoenix 2219's 20" 100gr. field pt. with 5" vanes weighs 494gr. and goes 272 fps. I can shoot the min. and get right widja!I LIKE MINE HEAVY AND SLOWER TO KEEP LIMBS REAL SAFE! I really don't think i will have any trouble taking my deer this fall.Like the rest of us here we are waiting on deer season to open and have nothing better to do than stir the pot. Bet we all could get together and have a great 3-D shoot. I don't have alot of chump change to throw away, i do have a great Bow. Spect i can stay with or outshoot many on here and i have a peep at 20 or 30 yds. and i only have one 20 yrd. pin! I be as crippled up as most of you too!

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Hehehehee. Ok, here's my take Jay!
Crossbows are inefficent by nature of their short stroke. Whees and cams store energy via a longer string travel stored around their wheels. Cams try to accelerate the string a little more gently than the 747 of crossbows, namely the Excals. Wheels are therefore more efficient but in the end have more parts and depart from the KISS principal that we want as hunters. That is that nothing goes wrong at the moment of truth. I think that the honest truth is that little goes wrong withour warning just like cars. So if the operator is congnisent of what he or she is doing during maintenance then the two bows are just as reliable. Ok, here goes!! To coin a phrase IMHO, LOL that was for you Dan, recurves are for idiots and experts alike and compounds are more suited to those who don't mind some maintenance and have a carefull eye. In a perfect world the compound is a better world. Too bad tolerance stacking, high production methods and human error are involved. That being said I'd better get off the fence cauz my butt is hurting. :D Come and get me!:D

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Hey don you sound like my wife! shes the only one that gets away with calling me "JAY" LOL. Hey no punt intended I have been laying back for awhile and noticed i has some gas and decided to throw it on the fire!! People say the wheels are more maint. but I honestly used my old horton for twelve years and the only thing I ever did was change the string once! And now its in its 14 year since my dad now uses it and still shoots like a dream. The only reason I bought my super max was the itch to buy a new CB! And yes SMOKEPOLEHALL I have shot threw the crony alot! Local proshop has one that he lets the regulars use for free and my one friend that I do most of my hand load work ups with has a real nice one that I get to use unlimited, so yes my numbers are hard and not magazine numbers.

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Jason, I was trying to get Jaygail's attention, who by the way is a nut but a knowlegable nut on compounds. Good guy but still nutty. Maybe just Alzheimers but who knows, maybe not taking his meds. It feels like some things missing here! LOL. No I was not calling you Jay.
In respect to wheel xbows I truly (not bashing and may be wrong) feel that if you are an arrow junkie like the long lost and respected Squirrel you'd be better off with a recurve. That is unless you are maintenace minded and don't mind a bit of fiddling. I own a compound and a recurve and understand that there is little maintenance to my recurve and more in my compound.

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Dnk: Scuse me, but what the HE double L are you talking about?? You mentioned me and I don't have a clue what you meant. LOL Know there was some humor or fun type jibes there somewhere, but
Dang, I missed your point. Are you going to come to America for the Great HNI Xbowers Meet, or did you spend all yer $ on sending the Mrs. and kids to France???

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Hotburn. My initial post was well intentioned and my joke about the old ball and chainwas just said in fun. I got an Excalibur because it fit my price range and got pretty good reviews. It is wider than I like (the bow not my wife) but I haveonly once shot a deer bow in hand creeping.I did not even take wheels into account. I like my bow and don't really care about a few fps either way because I know when push comes to shove it's not the equipment, it's the hunter. A good pool shooter can use any stick and I would guess within reason any bow discussed here will whack them pretty well.I can't see 30 yds in the woods here so I am not really worried about shooting to much past that. I guess I am just gonna have to humble you in the Hunting contest.

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Hey Planter, no harm here, As I told Don I just had some extra gas and felt like throwing it in, this group is the best and hunting net is on the top of my list! Its kinda fun watching you guys debate the recurve and wheels, well most of the time![8D] And like you said Don you are probally right about the tree rat. I only shoot a little bit before season and once, maybe twice during the season if I am lucky!:D No harm here guys, its all fun!!

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Hotburn , who said I have an Excalibur ?
My bows are a Barnett Ranger straight prod and a no name recurve . Both are more than fast enough at 215 and 235 respectively to drop any deer ,and simple enough to keep maintainence to a minimum . If you like wheel bows then more power to ya , I just don't care for overly complicated gear personally .

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I do not know mullet man. But I would find out who quoted YOU ashaving anexcal and deal with them swifty before it gets out a hand. If your being serious maybe a little to much of the Business in front is taking over the back!

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Dan, I was just giving you the gears because you use the most abreviations, no harm intended.
As far as the meet goes, I wish I could but its not easy to because I own and run a business and its difficult and costly to go away. You know I want to. I can split for a few days but only when its slow (usually during January and February. Of course I take a week off in November but I figure it costs me about 8 thousand dollars. If you guys do it in late August there is a small chance because it gets slow on occasion but I do not want to make any promises.

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Dnk: $8000 a WEEK???? Holy Frijole's!!! I'm coming up there!!! Get a bunch of ribeyes and Canadian Club, figure ya already got the ole Mooseheads Eh??? I'll bring my Excals, but try to get the ribeyes in the States, as I'm skeered of that mad cow disease. Oh, heck, if you get the juice, I'll bring the meat!!! LOL Any chance ya need some help? Je suis parlez une peu francais, mon frere!!!

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HIjack! 8 grand ina week, i make that in 6 months. Maybe you can adopt me! Not fer the year but fer this shin dig awshucks is crowing about. I don't drink any hard stuff so i am cheap.One steaK and beer and veggies. Hey 80 days and deer season opens!:D

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Smoke: Ya wouldn't fit in up there in Canada, compared to Tenn and Ark they are fairly civilized, and them Beemers got wheels, ya need to find a place that works on dog sleds w/ straight runners like yer limbs.

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I fit right in up in them boonies,but not those cities. Hey i live in a trailer, rather have a shotgun house.:D