RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

Nodog,

I assume you're talking to me.

How on earth do you take my post as an attack on either side? Also do you really disagree with me saying these things always turn into arguments? Is that not true?

Ive seen enough of these threads to KNOW that it will always turn into a p-ssing match. WHY? Wouldnt you say this one has?

Im simply asking these questions to see if there is a correlation between age, years hunting, weapons used, and thoughts on QDM.

There was NO intention of belittling anyone. Honest to GOD!
I should have added another question; What State do you hunt?

By acting like my questions are unfair, it only leads me to believe that you are afraid of answering them, because you would look like a hypocrite. Please point out the questions I posted that are "unfair".
I will gladly reword or remove them if you make a valid point.

However, I think the questions are fair and especially because NO one HAS to answer the questions, but it would be nice if at least ten people could answer the questions.

It would give us a better understanding of who opposes and who advocates QDM.

Im mostly interested in the age and number of years hunting, of hunters for or against QDM.

---Matt

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

Thanks Arthur P for answering honestly!:)

Hope others will see that my "survey" is harmless.

Despite what Nodog claims, I honestly just have a lot of interest in this subject, and like to know what makes people tick. Im not out to berate or belittle anyone for their reasons, so long as what they do is legal and ethical. Its no secret that I believe in QDM.

Its my belief that Older hunters disagree with TDM, (which is actually more accurately what we are discussing)

I also think that its because they are entering into a different phase of their hunting careers. Focusing on the enjoyment of each hunt, and every animal taken. Which is natural. Actually, I would like to ask a few of the more seasoned hunters if they went through a stage/phase in their hunting careers that would be similar to wanting QDM, or trophy hunting.

I asked these questions to see if thats the case. I also am thinking it may have to do with the region in which you hunt, and the surrounding hunting pressure and attitudes.

I believe that most of the TDM supporters will be somewhere in the "middle" stages of hunting. Having deer under their belt, but searching for more "challenge" through hunting trophies.

I also believe that young hunters with little experience will oppose qdm for the most part, unless region is more of a factor than I originally believed.

I dont think either side is "wrong" and I wonder if these "phases" are the cause of the two sides. Hopefully the questions will shed some light on this matter, and allow the two "sides" to understand each other a little better.

Have a good one---Matt

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

1. What is your age? 35

2. How many years have you been bowhunting? 15 years

3. Do you hunt with any other weapons? rarely

4. How many years have you hunted with those weapons? 20+ years

5. Are you for, or against QDM? neutral

6. Would you like to see bigger bucks in your area, if there was no work on your part?

Bigger at the cost of what ?

7. Would you travel to another state, or another woodlot in your state in search of a bigger buck?

I go to Kansas and deer hunt every year - for years now

8. What do you consider a successful hunting season?

Its different every year. Last year I wanted to tag the first legal muzzleloading bull I could with my Dad, Uncle and I wilderness hunt in Colorado. I wanted to tag a big buck in KS and a legal buck in AR with my recurve.

This year ? I have a goal of killing a big buck again in KS - a 150" + buck, with my recurve, and I want to hunt the Leatherwood wilderness are with my Dad as much as possible with a goal of killing a legal buck. I''' draw an early season rifle mule deer tag in CO and expect nothing less than a 170" buck

9. Do you harvest animals for food, or for management of the herd/habitat?

a mixture of the above + more

10. Do you consider yourself a "hardcore" hunter (scouting and map reading year round)?

Or do you consider yourself a "casual" hunter(the majority of your time is spent actually hunting, scouting and prep are limited to a month or two before and/or after the season.) [/quote]

I'm a very hard core hunter

RE: QDM
 

1. 21
2. 9
3. flintlock muzzleloader/slug gun
4. 9
5. for
6. absolutely
7. yes sir
8. lots of memories made
9. both
10. deffinetly hardcore, its all i think about.

RE: QDM
 

1. What is your age?

31

2. How many years have you been bowhunting?

17 years

3. Do you hunt with any other weapons?

In-line muzzleloader, slug gun, handgun but generally to fill my Antlerless-ONLY tags

4. How many years have you hunted with those weapons?

First ever deer was taken with a slug gun 18 years ago. Have hunted with Handgun during the special Doe-ONLY hunts for the last few seasons and have carried an In-line for the past couple.

5. Are you for, or against QDM?

Absolutely YES, why in the World would ANY sportsman with any sense be against proper deer management????

6. Would you like to see bigger bucks in your area, if there was no work on your part?

I would like to see a healty age structure and a batter balanced herd!

7. Would you travel to another state, or another woodlot in your state in search of a bigger buck?

My Goal is to hunt where mature animals live.

8. What do you consider a successful hunting season?

Several Doe tags filled and a chance to see some quality bucks wether or not a shot op was ever presented.

9. Do you harvest animals for food, or for management of the herd/habitat?

I enjoy venison but average more than enough for my own family, thus I provide others with venison as well.

10. Do you consider yourself a "hardcore" hunter (scouting and map reading year round)?
Or do you consider yourself a "casual" hunter(the majority of your time is spent actually hunting, scouting and prep are limited to a month or two before and/or after the season.)

I truly LIVE to hunt. I envolve myself deeply in every aspect of this sport from shooting to improving habitat and other projects. What else could a guy do...... Golf??? For me there are TWO seasons..... DEER season and WAITING for DEER season!!! :D

RE: QDM
 

Key word there being proper. I don't believe mandating a minimum number of points anywhere near 'proper.' What about those 6 year old spindly 4 and 6 point bucks? Outlawing shooting anything less than 4 points a side will only keep them alive, breeding and passing along those inferior genes. Seems to me that would be entirely counter productive to what you big buck guys are after. If you knuckleheads have your way, just think how many 'small' bucks people are are going to forced to pass up and will be out there competing for food and mineral resources through the winter with the guys that have true potential to become boss bucks. Too many bucks, too little food and there won't be ANY big boys. That's not even considering does. Time to engage the brains, fellas, before flapping your gums.

QDM works on private land, especially the ones that are high fenced. There, people can control the total number of deer and cull out the genetically inferior ones. On public land, it ain't gonna ever happen.

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

What do you mean by 8 to 1. 8 doe to 1 buck, 8 mature doe to 1 mature buck, antlerless to antlered? Also WHEN do you mean? All of these ratios change rapidly and by a lot during the hunting season so again WHEN in the cycle are you talking. Antlerless to antlered ratios of 4 to 1 can easily become 20 to 1 in heavily hunted ares but just before hunting season it is not mathmatically possible to have any of these ratios that high if we assume normal birth and fawn mortality rates. Just saying 8 to 1 means almost nothing. Also what if your area only has about 8 or 10 deer total per square mile. Do you still want to shoot all the doe you can when total population is so low and that particular habitat can support twice or 3 times that numer?

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

I thought QDM wasn't just about antlers. Maybe I'm missing your point Coug?

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

Arthur P, you should check previous posts of mine and you will quickly see that I'm NOT for antler restrictions BUT instead educating the average hunter on how to indentify age classes. I don't like the 4x point restriction because of the fact in MY area that would steal alot of the great antlered yearlings with true potential. Think before you post.... that's common sense stuff. Now.... on with the thread and lets debate REAL issues of QDM and herd control and why YOU stand against them??? The key work is BALANCE.... the ratios, carrying capacity, etc.

Sylvan,

Dude, you're just reaching man!!!! You are known for this crap. In a desperate attempt to avoid issues and just for the sake of arguement you throw out smoke screens. For ALL practical purposes MOST of the biological whitetail world knows what an 8:1 sex ratio is. Skip the BS and get in the game. :(

RE: If you KNOW, then why don't you?
 

To back up waht ArthurP has said here is some good reading...
http://www.remington.com/NR/exeres/0...ookie%5Ftest=1