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I totally agree with stealthforce. This is exactly why I chose a faster combination. I can judge pretty well within 5 yards or less. Most of the time I'm better than that, but, in my short bowhunting career I learned that Murphy's Law was written about bowhunters. The one time I guess wrong will be when the real thing is in front of me. I can live with a lost or broken arrow in my backyard but I can't live with a wounded deer. I am nowhere near 300fps but I learned that a faster lighter arrow helps me when I am off a few yards. The heavy slow arrows did not do this. I need to clarify that I use three pins, 10-20-30 yards. I use one when hunting because I have never had to shoot over 20 yards. Part of what I love about bowhunting is getting close to deer. I shot my first deer at 10 yards. I stalked the second one on the ground and shot it at 18 yards. This one was a pure white 5 point buck that had escaped from a closed fenced in army base 10 from my home. I'm more proud of that deer than anything I've ever done.

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6point,

Hey, you just called me silly. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Anyone who expects people to accurately judge yardage every time to within a yard or two past 15-20 yards is just silly. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

That's OK I can take it. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

But really, even though I am pretty good at judging distances, I do take a rangefinder in the woods and know the distance of objects, whether they are bushes trees, etc. So I can actually say that most of the time, when a deer comes within shooting range, I can judge distance within 1-2 yards, no problem. And having that knowledge has helped me tremendously. You can call me silly for that, but thats OK.

But, I will agree with you that the whitetails here in the NorthEast will not wait for you to range them.

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Anyone who expects people to accurately judge yardage every time to within a yard or two past 15-20 yards is just silly. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Then everyone that hunted with a bow when 200 fps was screaming fast was 'just silly' because that's exactly what had to happen.

Consider this from the 3D world... There was so much griping and complaining from IBO's Mens Compound Release class that they had to move the class from the orange stakes to the closer green stakes. If speed does so much to minimize yardage estimate errors and makes hitting so much easier, why didn't the class start complaining about being TOO CLOSE instead of being too far? We shot those orange stakes from the time IBO first started, beginning at 'about 60 yards' which often wound up closer to 70, and bows were much slower then. Bows got faster and they changed the rule to 50 yards, max. Now bows are much faster and 50 yards max is too far? Now THAT is what's silly.

Sounds like if we get much more speed, everyone's going to want to start shooting from the cub stakes.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Hip Hip Hoo Rah for you Arthur<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. I am so impressed that you can shoot at paper from 70 yards<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> But I don't shoot at deer on a 3D course under bright sunny skies in my shorts and T-shirt having all day to aim and shoot andh having the benefit of watching 3 other guys shoot at them. I shoot at them out of a deer stand in low light conditions with anly a moment to accurately judge the distance with my hunting gear on and I some times make mistakes. I don't make many any more but I have most certainly made my share of them.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Consider this from the 3D world... There was so much griping and complaining from IBO's Mens Compound Release class that they had to move the class from the orange stakes to the closer green stakes. If speed does so much to minimize yardage estimate errors and makes hitting so much easier, why didn't the class start complaining about being TOO CLOSE instead of being too far? We shot those orange stakes from the time IBO first started, beginning at 'about 60 yards' which often wound up closer to 70, and bows were much slower then. Bows got faster and they changed the rule to 50 yards, max. Now bows are much faster and 50 yards max is too far? Now THAT is what's silly.

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Please refer back to your statement about the monkey with the wooden leg kicking the seeds out of the watermelon, as I do not see what this has to do with hunting whitetails????????

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

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Straightarrow: Finally..., geez, I was begining to wonder if I was the only one that shoots this way. Truth is, I very seldom, if ever even pace off yardage. It really isn't that important to me, the way I hunt. I use one pin, always have, and shoot all summer at all different distances out to 25 yards, (give or take), and I know my comfort zone. A deer is either within my comfort range and I instinctively hold where I need to, or it is too far, and I watch it walk. I'm not saying this is the only way to do it, but it works for me. Thought maybe I was the only one.
( It would be more correct to say I practice out to longer ranges, but only shoot at live targets out to +/- 25 yards)

Edited by - Slo-bo on 09/13/2002 14:54:27

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Silentassassin. The point is that you're shooting in low light, hunting conditions, out of a treestand, with a speedy arrow that even the 3D shooters seem to having a tough time with, even while shooting &quot;...on a 3D course under bright sunny skies in my shorts and T-shirt having all day to aim and shoot...&quot;

Like I said earlier, I do think the 'speed to make up for misjudged yardage' line does have some merit, but even the 3D shooters are finding that, at some point, the benefits of that speed are more than offset by how much harder the rig is to shoot with decent accuracy.





Edited by - Arthur P on 09/13/2002 14:59:46

Edited by - Arthur P on 09/13/2002 15:41:09

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I would kindly ask that this discussion stay on civil terms. Personal insults and accusations do nothing but discredit a person's credibility.


















Edited by - PABowhntr on 09/13/2002 15:32:07

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My apologies, Frank.You have no idea how hard I'm trying.

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I do :)

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If that was directed at me I apologize for calling you fellas silly.
I still think that it's difficult to judge within a yard or two past 25 yards, especially on the ground, in hunting situations. If you can God bless ya, you got one on me.
Bob, I do the same thing with a rangefinder, but if you're hunting a new spot, that big old buck often doesn't wait until it's light enouh for you to range various objects at various distances from various directions. He often sneaks in when you can just make out your site, unfortunately, sometimes even before that. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Arthur, sure, you have to judge accurately with trad bow, but that's not what this topic's about. And I said past 20-25 yards in that part where you quoted me. When I shot a recurve, I didn't shoot past that, so no problems there. If he was past that, I didn't have to judge, I just sat there cussing myself for picking the wrong tree..again. Even a half blind fool like myself could judge close enough to hit a deer at 15 yards, and my bear recurve is even less than 200fps. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


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