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ARCHERY is not CROSSBOWING. Crossbows in no way shape or form make better, enhance or improve archery. For every person that picks up a crossbow instead of a bow, a person is lost from archery. They are not the same, they do not promote archery ... they promote Crossbows and Crossbowing and Crossbow hunters. ALL TOTALLY different from Archers, Archery and Bowhunting.

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there are NO archery shoots that allow crossbows!!!! They are NOT considered archery.

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Can I not say the exact same thing about compounds ? Archery up until a couple decades ago WAS recurves and longbow - why am I forced to accept your stinking compounds ?

See how that argument can go both ways ?

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Again the only logical season would be the archery season. Why do you ask? First because a crossbow is by it's definition a bow and because I have not seen any negative thing from the states that do allow crossbows in their seasons. So why would I expect to see it in mine?

But mostly I ask, why not? What do you stand to loose? This talk about a infusion of "slob" hunters is nonsence, it hasn't happened in the states that do allow them why would people think it would happen in their state? Too many deer would be killed? Hey by most accounts deer populations have been on the rise all over the nation and get this.....even in the states that have allowed crossbow hunters into the archery seasons. Go figure, how in the hell did that happen if all of those "slob" gun hunters picked up crossbows and marched into the woods as some of you would have us believe?

Again I ask...Why not?

"Well BigJ It's just not archery."

But the Websters dictionary says it is.

"It's not how archery was intended by the ones who started the bow hunting movement."

Neither were compounds but they were allowed to thrive.

"It's just not the same as pulling back your bow and holding it with your hand....errr release."

Yes it's not, but it still is a bow, just another form of one. Holding a shoulder mounted scoped rifle is not the same as a hand held pistol with open sights is it? I don't hear the pistol crowd saying rifle hunting should be separate from them because it's "just not the same" why, because they are both firearms.

"But BigJ, we can't let our pristine and sacred hunting fraternity be compromised by these "mouth breathing" cretins. How would that look when we are supposed to be the chosen ones in the hunting community?

Now we are getting somewhere! I bet most of you, when nobody is around to judge you are thinking just that.....sad but true, because as hard as you try, some of you just can't help it and it shows in your posts.

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ORIGINAL: datamax

MA Jay - what is your argument now, that crossbows would = more deer taken and more archers that would lead to less season and fewer tags ? Even if it increased those number by 1X thats nothing compared to the 10X the numbers compounds have added.

IS your seasons shorter than they were 10 years ago and are your bag limits less ? Simple question - I suspect the answer is a resounding NO - menaing that you're fear of more hunters equaling bad things is absolutely UNTRUE


Can I not say the exact same thing about compounds ? Archery up until a couple decades ago WAS recurves and longbow - why am I forced to accept your stinking compounds ?

See how that argument can go both ways ?

If I proved you wrong there would you recognize that ?

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What???? Are you kidding? Hey, I admit a compound bow is different than a recurve .. but ALL it really is, is a recurve with some funky cams added ... it's a recurve that technology got its hands on. Still shoots the same .. just reduces the weight held at full draw. But still held at full draw.

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the Crossbow isn't just a "bow"

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First, it has been proven through the history of mankind that we are not very good at managing sustainable populations of game species. The whitetailed deer for example was brought to near extinction at one point. Even today, fisheries around the world are being depleted at alarming rates including some of the familiar salmon species. This happens even when we are aware it is happening.

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To assume that Whitetail populations in all states will react the same to the allowance of crossbows in archery season is the dumbest thing I have heard you try to argue.

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MA Jay - what is your argument now, that crossbows would = more deer taken and more archers that would lead to less season and fewer tags ? Even if it increased those number by 1X thats nothing compared to the 10X the numbers compounds have added.

IS your seasons shorter than they were 10 years ago and are your bag limits less ? Simple question - I suspect the answer is a resounding NO - menaing that you're fear of more hunters equaling bad things is absolutely UNTRUE

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Archery: The practice or art of shooting with a bow and arrow.

Crossbow: A medieval weapon consisting of a bow set transversely on a wooden stock.

I still don't see the confusion.

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Yes, archers have increased over the years... and their affect on the deer population has changed. Right now that means we have reduced opportunities on does in some areas forcing only buck kills. It is a fact, add more archers during archery seaosn and more limits will be imposed unless the population of deer grows. Which has also slowly been happening in conjunction with increase in archers.

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To assume other states would react 180 degrees OPPOSITE of the states that HAVE allowed crossbows is kinda dumb, isn't it ? You pretend like the stats from AR, OH, Ga and all don't matter. Why ? It DOES matter - unles you have study that shows how crossbows destroy the deer herds ? Do you ? Or are you guessing ? Because I'm using the stats from the mentioned states to back my argument.

What are you using other than old wives tales ??

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the bow hunters would have a fit if their season was shortened for crossbows. Could you imagine if the crossbowers were given the first two weeks of the season, having first crack at all of those big bucks you guys have been scouting all year? I can feel the collective blood pressure rise by just typing this. No wait, lets give them the first two weeks of the rut, again the bow hunters would blow their tops to know the crossbowers were out there when all of those elusive monster bucks stopped being elusive and started paying more attention to "what comes naturally".

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because after all they really aren't hunters anyway.

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"But BigJ, we can't let our pristine and sacred hunting fraternity be compromised by these "mouth breathing" cretins. How would that look when we are supposed to be the chosen ones in the hunting community?

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