RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

You can shoot your recurve lying down in snyper position?[:o] Guess that puts you and your recurve in with the crossbow category huh? You must hunt out of some awefully big box blinds to be able to avoid your limb hitting the wall of the blind? You also must shoot a minimum of 30yds unless the walls of your box blind are 2ft high.
Uhhh , why not "start on drawing before deer gets in position"? You want to compare compounds to crossbows but your unwilling to even talk about the obvious differences? Typical! It's why some have fallen out of this debate because you refuse to listen to common sense. You want to debate? Debate like you got a pair and start debating EACH and EVERY aspect of your claims when countered!

My point was pretty obvious to other members! I'll spell it out just for you. That which I listed along with what others have mentioned are what seperates a compound bow from a crossbow. Your real quick to point out the differences between a compound and recurve but are unwilling to admit the vast differences the seperate the crossbow from both the compound and recurve!

Lets see? Your half right on energy producing. The limbs are still a functioning part of producing energy just like a recurve. I believe the "WAY their drawn" is still the same! Grab string and pull back to full draw. Do they (compounds) have the edge for "performance" as you say? Sure , when in the hands of the right archer.

Oh yeah I forgot , they "ARE" archery gear. It's just , oh how did you put it , "real bowhunters use trad gear" ? Vastly different than crossbows yes!

"Shoot farther"? We're talking about hunting right? "Faster"? Who gives a crap? Not me! A fast moving arrow will kill a deer or miss a deer the same as a slow moving arrow. "Less practice"? Sure! Although not to the extent your always bringing up. When I set my compound down for a few months and pick it up again my rustiness shows at the range. I can do the same with my recurve and it might take an hour instead of ten minutes to be stacking arrows at my desired hunting distance.
As for the "gizmos and gadgets" I use a release , rest , and sight. How many of those three do you use on your recurve?
How about the compound shooter who shoots with fingers and no sights? Are they real bowhunters?

First , I dont believe anyone here said "crossbows are bad"!:eek: Some of us just feel they would be better off in a seperate season from the general archery season except for the handicapped.
Your problem here is your unability to admit that crossbows are NOT in general the same as compounds!
Your entire arguement is based on "the crossbow is easy , well so is a compound" while you blatantly ignore the facts seperating the two weapons.
I'm all for allowing a seperate crossbow season or allowing it during our gun hunt.

We (Wi) have deer hunting from the middle of September to January 3rd , theres plenty of room to add a crossbow season in there somewhere.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Please list just ONE thing that has made todays compound bows more accurate than compound bows form 10 years ago. How about 20 years ago?:eek:

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I got more positions than a hooker on a runway with my bow :eek:

But yeah, overall you're right, shooting a recurve IS more difficult - that was your point, wasn't it ?

My God man, you seriously shoot fingers ? 95% or more compounders clip a triggered release onto the string or loop and use their wrist/arm/shoulders to draw. Fingers are only used to trigger the release.


Look at the thread on shooting distance - you'll quicklu realize guys will shoot 40-50 yards and beyond with their compounds, no problems. And they shoot that distance incredibly accuraltey too ! Thanks to the modern compound bow

My God man, you REALLY think I put sights and a rest on my recurve ? I actually tried shooting a recurve with a release last year - not a good experinece !

Finge shooting, no sights compound guys are rare to almost non-existant. They're taking a much more difficult course to killing deer than you are though. Like I've said before, only self bowyers know what TRUE archery is. I'm not there yet, you're not even close :D


Higher tech machined risers. Solo cam technology. Split limbs. Fiber optic sights that are BTW AMAZING ! Drop away rests. Cam and ahlf technology. SIMS from hell. The triggered releases nowdays are fantastic too. Carbon in the risers/limbs. High Country's carbon bows are way cool. Horizonal limb technology that is basically a vertical crossbows with the wheels/cams doing all the work with very little limb movement. Bows are short ATA nowdays. Much more center shot. High brace heights.

The design changes are endless., the technolgoy having come a LONG way.

They are such that dang near anyone can pick one up and be shooting 10 for 10 in the lungs of a McKensie at 20 yards in 30 mintues.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

does anyone know the record for most pages on a thread. this has to be close? does anyone know the record for a thread with the most pages that mattered?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Wanna make this thing go 50 pages ?

#1 - Chuck Adams is a living bowhunting GOD
#2 - I hate ATV's with a passion and put sugar in every tank I find
#3 - mechanical broadheads should be outlawed
#4 - P&Y and PBS SUCK
#5 - did you hear they're going to legalize crossbows in __________ this fall ?

:D:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

chuck adams is god MY OPINION
i like atv's MY OPINION
mechanical i dont use them MY PREFERENCE
pbs tv channel?? I BLOCKED IT CUZ ITS USELESS INFORMATION ABOUT CRAP THAT IS OLD
crossbows in............... HAWAII? the surfers may not like that. that might get hit by a out of control bolt

:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

after further delibertion with myself i have decided to take the xgun and pour gasoline on it and use it as sacrificial material to the bowhunting gods that are frowning. this will take place in my front yard this afternoon.hopefully everyone will be forgiven and we will not face their wrath of the gods with arrows on fire with mechanical broadheads flying at speeds over 1000fps. may the gods show mercy on our worthless souls and spare us

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

AR guy ........... you'll go to hell for torching a crossbow, don't you know that ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ONCE AGAIN! You avoid my points like the plague dont you. Why is that? Maybe because it makes your arguement weak?

Are you just plain ignorant to the mechanics required for top shooters? It has nothing to do with technology!
Please take another stab at showing us all how compound bows are more accurate today than 20 years ago!!
Quieter? Yep! But it just happens my quietest bow is my recurve![:o]
Faster? Yep! Has nothing to do with accuracy , in fact in alot of cases it hinders accuracy.
Longer range shooting? Once again you avoided my comparisons of the LONG shots that Fred Bear had taken at live game.[:o] Along with many of our bowhunting forefathers with traditional gear.
Less recoil? Oh my yes! Why I remember the old days when my compounds would jump out of my hands and leave my arms vibrating for weeks.
Fibre optic sights? Give me the old paint dipped pins and I wont miss a beat!
Limbsavers? Dont need them in my opinion. Although I've seen them on recurves too.[:o]

As for your other opinions? Number 2 doesn't surprise me , it shows your character!:eek: Someone worked hard for that ATV , I hope you get caught some day!

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BOWFANATIC -

Wanna make a bet ? I can prove my point with this bet.

I can take anybodys crossbow and be good with it in very short order at , say, 30 yards. Good being keeping the arrows in the lungs of a McKenzie.

I can take anybodys compound and do the same.

Fact is you can do either of those too. So can my co-worker who's never shot a bow. So can my brother, who's never shot a bow, so can Byron Ferguson, who likely hasn't shot a compound in years.

Now ........ can you take my recurve and keep all the arrows in that mcKenzie ? If you can ..... well, you're lying if you say you can. I can't even keep them all in and its my bow and I practice a bit and am a fair shot. I've shot enough to know, read enough to know - that the following is 1005 true in todays world


Crossbows = easy. Compounds = easy recurve/longbows = hard


As for Fred Bear ........ he took poor shots and made some of them and missed even more I imagine. I've watched quite a bit of his videos ......... the man was an amazing shot no doubt. He won archery tourneys before he ever got well known. The man was a natural. Still took poor shots IMO but they were his to make.

If Fred has used a compound he'd have killed more animals than Chuck ever will. Compounds are the steroids of the archery world.

They make average shooters amazing shooters and really good shooters out of this world shooters.