Oh the carbons
 

Ive started using aluminums as a kid and turned to cheaper style carbons $60 carbon express and think they just don't have the weight behind them, i think im going back to the heavy 2219. What do you all think? I cant seem to get pass threws even broad side at ten yards with 60 pounds, now i shot 70 but still. I dont know what to do.

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Are you using fixed blade broadheads? My second guess would be your bow is out of tune. This will cause the arrow to hit the deer "sideways" preventing penetration. As for the weight you are on the money light carbons are junk for hunting[:'(]

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ewolk im starting to think the same thing about carbons. No my bow is in tone arrows fly straight and true just no pwer behing then like they hit a rib and stop. Clueless man

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oh ya always been a muzzys man

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Guys you have select the proper carbon shaft so you can get what you want out of them. If you want speed for 3D shooting then go for the light shafts if you want the most in penetration then go for the heavy shafts.

There are carbon shafts out there that weigh anywhere from 5.5 grains per inch all the way up to 15.5 grains per inch and all weights in between.

A 2219 weighs 13.7 grains per inch.

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You might wana try some ACC's although they might be alittle pricey they got the best of both carbon and aluminum.

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Carbon arrows weigh just the same as aluminum. Some, in fact, are over 11 grains per inch. The difference is diameter. THey get the same weight with smaller diameter, decreasing resistance and INCREASING penetration. I would also bet an out of tune bow, or just too light an arrow.

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How heavy are the carbons per inch?

Mine are 9GPI and I have always gotten pass throughs.

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I shoot the carbon express terminator selects with a 125 grain muzzy. They blow right through elk like they weren't even there.I can't obviuosly see why you don't get pass throughs. Where are you hitting them?

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13 per inch i just dont think there consistant put together like a aluminum

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If the carbons you are having problems with aren't getting pass throughs because they aren't heavy enough then going to the 2219 won't help any.

Given everything else is equal the carbon will penetrate better than an aluminum shaft of the same weight.

I highly suspect that the bow is not tuned just right to the carbon arrows or you are shooting a bunch of animals in the shoulder blade but even then you should be getting through the deer.

I shoot the terminator select arrows, which I believe is the same arrow you are talking about, and blow through deer like a hot knife through butter.

There is something else wrong besides the arrows.

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Are they the Terminator 45/60, or 60/75? I tried some Terminators that were underspined and while they appeared to fly decently straight, penetration in a foam target went WAY down compared to my PSE Pro's.

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Read this article:

http://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/featu...tion/index.cfm

You'll most likely find you're worrying about nothing. Check your setup with the carbons and make sure everything is in tune and your penetration problems will most likely correct themselves.

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ewolf:

Just Out Of Curiosity, What Are You Shooting ? I Am Shooting 28" Beman 9.1 With 100 Grain Fixed Broadheads At 60 Lbs. I Can't Get Pass Throughs At 15-20 Yards. I Have Been Thinking About Making A Change In Shafts Or Broadheads. I Know It's Not a Tuning Issue. It Shoots Bullet Holes Thru Paper From 8 Feet Out To 35 Yards. My Spine Is Pretty Good For My Setup As Well. I Bare Shafted Tuned At 25 Yards And The Shafts Along With The Feathered Arrows Were Within A 2 Inch Group. I Am Not Sure What To Do But I Am Going To Do Some Experimenting And Possibly Make A Change.

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I shoot a 60lb bow, 27 inch draw length with approx. 400grain arrows and the last 7 deer I have shot have been pass throughs. I've NEVER had a problem with penetration with ANY carbon or aluminum using ANY setup. IMO, you are the problem, not the equipment.

I say last 7 b/c that is as far as I can remember for sure, going back 3 seasons. Before that, I would have to dig through by log book.

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you guys must shoot and deer and never hit a rib because i have with 8 grains per inch carbons and maybe get one lung if lucky and thats at twenty yards. Maybe its these northern 235pound minnesota bucks. My bow cut bullets with these new 13grains per inch. Ive just got these just seeing if i made a mistake staying with carbons. Maybe these will help. Only 9 months will tell.

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I have blown through elk ribs with the terminators ,28.5 inches and a 125 grain muzzy. A deer rib should be no match for one either. Almost all my elk are pass throughs. I like to shoot them a little high and a little farther back then most but I can catch both lungs and anything else in the way. I would shoot through a chrono and use the formula for figuring out KE. I am pushing 81 foot pounds of KE. Far above what is recommended for elk but I can be assured of pass throughs on a good broad side shot.

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my hoyt is at set at 54 pounds and i am getting about 210-230 fps and both my achery kills where clean pass throughs. one was a quatering away shot at 22 yards where it slighty hit the off shoulder coming out but no mayjor bone other then ribs.

so i don't see how you are haveing troubles with pass throughs on close up broadside shots.

if you are close to getting pass throughs you might want to get an overdraw on your bow. because when i added the overdraw and had my arrows cut shorter they got a little more penetration

my arrows are carbon furry 350 with 100 gr. mussy's

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You will get pass throughs at 13 GPI with a good 2 blade fixed head and a tuned bow (Somewhat tuned with that arrow weight should give pass throughs)

Choctaw

I'm shooing bemans as well. Mine are 31 inches long and I'm using Magnus Sitngers(125 gr). Mine weight 9.3 GPI. I'm only pulling 53 pounds with a not so fast bow. Have you thought about shooting a bareshaft farther? I shot mine at least to 35 yards. I always make my arrows heavy, what I mean by that is this. I will shoot the stiffest arrow I can get to tune to my bow. That way I can make them long and use a 125gr broadhead.

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what do all you guys mean on tuning? Adjusting sites or what? I just left it up to my archery shots and made sure my arrows fly true? What would you do please tell i dont want to lose a 10 point again but at least a friend got him the next morning with a pass through while broad head stuck into the rib and stopped.

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Go to bowjackson.com and download the easton tuning guide. It will take you through all of the tuning processes.

When you say that you made sure the arrows were flying true which arrows are you talking about? The 2219's or the Carbon Express arrows.

Sights have nothing to do with tuning a bow.

Basically tuning a bow involves selecting the correctly spined shaft for your bow, selecting the correct tip weight for the shaft, and making the necessary adjustments to your rest and nock positions to get the arrow to come perfectly straight off your bow.

No one but you can tune your own bow. You should definetly have a knowledgable person there to help you but he can not shoot it and say it is tuned for you. Every one's physical dimensions are different and every one holds the bow slightly different when shooting it. One person can shoot a bow perfectly and hand it over to someone else and that person could be all over the target.

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Simply incorrect! It takes a bigger diameter heavy walled carbon to come close in weight to a smaller diameter aluminum arrow.

Kind of late in the thread to be asking this question , but what kind of setup do you shoot?
What bow , poundage , draw length?