legalizing crossbows
#91
Nontypical Buck
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Just because one stands against certain practices for the future of hunting and the future of the herd, does not make one an anti-hunter, and yes, it does make sense.
crossbows are not archery weapons. Primitive, definitely, but archery....no. When the archer is no longer holding the force of the string back at full draw it is not an archery device.
Why exactly is it that you don't want crossbows in the woods at the same time as you?
#92
Nontypical Buck
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ORIGINAL: SAV Widow
Hows this:
Compounds allowed in any firearms season to get residential area deer close to houses.
Compounds allowed by disabled hunters in any season.
Compounds allowed by any senior hunter in any season.
No compounds allowed in bow season by able bodied non-senior hunters.
Did I forget someone?
Oh, and I'm basing it on the EXACT same reasons your'e using. Prove me wrong ?
Vertical Limb Technology - the vertical crossbow
Hows this:
Compounds allowed in any firearms season to get residential area deer close to houses.
Compounds allowed by disabled hunters in any season.
Compounds allowed by any senior hunter in any season.
No compounds allowed in bow season by able bodied non-senior hunters.
Did I forget someone?
Oh, and I'm basing it on the EXACT same reasons your'e using. Prove me wrong ?
Vertical Limb Technology - the vertical crossbow
#93
Giant Nontypical
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Hunters lobbying against hunting????? That makes sense
With "hunters" like you and Arthur around we don't need anti's because it looks like you guys are doing your best to make hunting illegal for no reason other than greed and self righteousness
Crossbow proponents are doing their worst to get into bow season, where they KNOW for a fact that the majority of bowhunters oppose them (90% opposed according to the last polls taken in Texas), for their OWN greedy and selfish reasons.
Why aren't they lobbying for their OWN season? Because they think it's easier to shove their way into ours. I don't know about you, but that tells me a lot about the overall type of people we can expect to see showing up in the woods if they win.
At the game commission's public input meetings I've attended, each time this crossbow crap has been brought up, it has not been from any grassroots group of concerned crossbow shooting hunters. It has ALWAYS been Bernie Horton's lobbyist. If there was any huge outrage over being excluded from bow season, where are the PEOPLE?
Well, enough. I should know better by now than to engage in this nonsense. I've got a real nice piece of wood that's just begging to become a bow, so I've got something much more deserving of my time and attention. See ya at the game commission meetings, boys, and we can duke it out where it REALLY counts.
#94
You know..if crossbows had their own season, where only a crossbow could be used..i'd buy one and I suppose many would...this would be more time afield.
SO I don't know if you want that Arthur..careful what you ask for!
SO I don't know if you want that Arthur..careful what you ask for!
#95
Nontypical Buck
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The reason the crossgunners want in bow season is because there is no room left for another season. When would they hunt? Around the 4th of July? Month of February? In Pa we have 2 weeks off of deer hunting before Christmas. OOOPS, THERE IT IS!
#96
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From: Memphis TN USA
that the majority of bowhunters oppose them (90% opposed according to the last polls taken in Texas), for their OWN greedy and selfish reasons.
Why aren't they lobbying for their OWN season? Because they think it's easier to shove their way into ours.
If there was any huge outrage over being excluded from bow season, where are the PEOPLE?
Arthur,
You don't even hunt anymore anyway (unless you got out this year) so why do you begrudge another the oppurtunity?
#97
Typical Buck
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From: Buford GA USA
And that's differnt how............................. You have to be kidding me. It's the SAME THING. You fight to make somehting illegal or you fight to keep a group of hunters out of the woods and out of hunting it's the same thing. How can you be see naive or obtuse as to not see that?
Were they archery weapons 2500 years ago when they are invented?
Not wanting bair is one thing but it's a completely different ball game when you start trying to keep certain groups of hunters from entering the woods and even taking up the sport. When you start driving people away from the sport that needs all the support that it can get, that's the difference.
#98
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You know, I really, REALLY hope (everyone that wants crossbows to have seperate season) get what they are asking for. A seperate crossbow season where compound/recurves/longbows are not allowed. That season would be 1/2 of what is now general archery season.
Yep, cut "your" season in half and give it to crossbow hunters. You don't want to "share" and so lob half your season away for selfishness and greed and you'll be sad for the day you ever asked for it.
Yep, cut "your" season in half and give it to crossbow hunters. You don't want to "share" and so lob half your season away for selfishness and greed and you'll be sad for the day you ever asked for it.
#99
Typical Buck
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From: Buford GA USA
ALright stealthy, refresh my memory, where exactly did I wish that crossbows had their own season? I do not recall ever utterring those words, I may be getting senior disease a litte early I guess?
How many times have I said it and how many times do I need to repeat it (I know your reading comprehension skills there stealthy, and they are not this bad)? I fought to keep them out of archery season, and still do not personally feel they belong. I felt all along they should be in primitive weapons and the general hunting seasons. I will not now, nor have I made any attempt to, legislate them out of archery season. Now that the state has deemed them legal archery weapons, they stay. To exclude them now is definitely reducing hunting and I never stand for that.
How many times have I said it and how many times do I need to repeat it (I know your reading comprehension skills there stealthy, and they are not this bad)? I fought to keep them out of archery season, and still do not personally feel they belong. I felt all along they should be in primitive weapons and the general hunting seasons. I will not now, nor have I made any attempt to, legislate them out of archery season. Now that the state has deemed them legal archery weapons, they stay. To exclude them now is definitely reducing hunting and I never stand for that.
#100
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reylamb - I got your stance and someone elses swapped then - my confusion and apologies for doing that. It was suggested a seperate season fro crossbows - i was replying to that line of thought.
in all seriousness - IF you can every show me one shread of proof that legal crossbows in deer season either (A) result in a reduction of deer season or (B) reduction in deer herd or (C) in general a negative impact to archery season that compounds don't impact the same way, I'll gladly join the cause to fight crossbows in legal archery season. I have yet to be given one single shred of evidence that they do though and because everything points tto them being positives to archery, I can't argue to NOT allow them based on selfish, personal reasons alone.
in all seriousness - IF you can every show me one shread of proof that legal crossbows in deer season either (A) result in a reduction of deer season or (B) reduction in deer herd or (C) in general a negative impact to archery season that compounds don't impact the same way, I'll gladly join the cause to fight crossbows in legal archery season. I have yet to be given one single shred of evidence that they do though and because everything points tto them being positives to archery, I can't argue to NOT allow them based on selfish, personal reasons alone.


