Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

I talked to a local proshop expert last night about the TruBall Pro Diamond release. He confirmed that this release would be a good one for hunting if you wanted to use that style for hunting. However, he said that he typically recommends going with the standard wrist strap/index-finger trigger style of release for hunting. The reason he gave was that it is not as accurate to "punch" as T-style as it is to "punch" the standard style of release. T-grip releases are for back-tension triggering. Since "punching" the trigger is often necessary in hunting, he said to steer away from T-grip style releases. Can anyone confirm or deny this? What might some reasons be for the difference in accuracy?


Also, since I didn't get any takers on my other thread, I'll try again here:

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RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

To tell you the truth I don't know what he is talking about. Punching the trigger is necessary in hunting???? IMO punching should be avoided completely in any situation. It will effect accuracy. T-grips are for back-tension triggering????? There are hand helds that are made exclusively to be trigger only by back tension, but I would not use them for hunting. You can also fire most finger style releases with back tension.

I use a tru-ball King George, which is triggered by the thumb, and/or pinky. The release basically has no travel and is mainly activated by pressure. I love the release and have used it for hunting. Only problem is its noisy. For hunting I use a pro-diamond. It does have travel, but is completely silent. Currently I am using a talon head with a string loop on the string. But I also have a double which is interchangable.

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

He saying that there are times in the field when you need to distinctly pull the trigger rather than ease into in an attempt to "surprise yourself" such as in the back-tension technique. I think I agree with him on that. I just don't know about the accuracy issue. I thought the general consensus was that T-grip releases were mainly for back-tension releasing. Maybe I have the wrong impression?

Also, can you describe the difference between the talon and the standard caliper? Again, I can't see their website and I'd like to know which will suit me better.

Thanks. -BB

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

Archery store experts are a dime a dozen. Whenever I hear advice like that, I look at what he's got on his shelves. Usually, the advice I get conforms very closely to what's in stock.:eek:

IMO, any time you punch a release, whether it's a trigger release or T-handle, you're taking a shot where you're just trusting to luck. Shooting too quick and hoping to just get close to where you hope you were aiming. Punching a release is bad, no matter what style it is.

Anyone who's getting in many situations where they have to punch the release to get off a quick shot should be shooting fingers instead of a release. A fingers shooter is much quicker into action than any release shooter can even dream of being. A decent fingers shooter can get off a controlled, accurate shot quicker than a release shooter can make a hurried stab at the trigger.

On a controlled trigger pull, NOT a punch, I seriously doubt there is any difference in accuracy between a trigger release and T-handle. I've not seen it.

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I saw your earlier post and passed up commenting on it, hoping you'd get some feedback from Tru-Ball shooters. Since you didn't, then I'll give you my honest opinion.

About the balls and metal D-loops... Run and hide! I don't want my release pulling on anything that's rigid. The string comes off such devices at a severe angle, which weakens the string over time. Like bending a paper clip back and forth, it will eventually break. Same thing with the bowstring.

On longer axle to axle bows with an average draw length, hooking to the string is fine. On short bows, I like the rope loop better. I've seen some guys that hook to the string on short bows get drawn back, and the string is running at such an angle through the nock that the nock is barely hanging onto string. Any little slip and it's a dry fire. Even if it stays on the string, the force of the shot is basically re-nocking the arrow while propelling it off the bow. I just don't like anything about that.

The loop keeps the string fully seated in the throat of the nock. It eliminates all my worries about the nock and the string angle. And, even though the string does bend around the knots in the loop, it's at a much reduced angle and it's bending around a softer material. String life is still reduced vs shooting with fingers, but not nearly as badly as with balls or D-loops.

I've shot a loop with both caliper releases and 'talon' releases. I prefer the talon, though I've never had any trouble with calipers. Whichever style you choose, just keep the loop heavily waxed. That'll keep it stiff and open, which makes hookup a lot quicker and easier.

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

I'd have to respectfully disagree with both of you about the punching issue. It will effect accuracy. I would agree that a back tension release should not be used in the field.

Not the case. You can get the t-grip release in back tension only (for practice purpose), a travel t-style like the pro diamond, or a non-travel type (any of their releases with a cock arm).

Well the talon head can be used with their sting that comes with it, or if you use a string loop, like I do, then take the string of the release.

The standard caliper could be used off the bow string.

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RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

.....that's why on my old 41" ATA bow, I use a Tru-Fire magnum wrist release, and just clip it on the bow string. Having an 8" brace height also helps tremendously with the overall accuracy. I could even finger shoot my old PSE if I wanted to, but I am happy and content with my rugged ol' workhorse of a bow. :)

Butch A.

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

Thanks BobCo19-65 and Arthur P for offering your information. I'm trying to educate myself before spending the $90+.

I'm not trying to start a debate on punching versus smooth releasing. Perhaps punching isn't a good word for what I'm think of. I'm simply saying that there are times in the field when it is necessary to expedite the releasing process. This may be at the expense of a bit of accuracy but if the group grows from 2" to 3" at 20 yards, I don't think the drop in accuracy will lead to wounding. The 'expert' was saying that the drop in accuracy is more drastic with the t-grip. I seems that there is disagreement here, which is what I wanted to hear.

You bring up a good point Arthur P. I never thought about the "renocking" concept that you speak of. Avoiding the hard connections does make sense. I wouldn't agrue that the string loop is easier on the bowstring. The single/double ball seems like clap-trap to me. I just wanted to confirm that there isn't a distinct advantage of having one that outweighs the negatives of extra clap-trap. I'll either go with the talon or the standard caliper. It sounds like the talon is only meant to be used with a string loop, whether it's fixed to the release or the bowstring. I'm not sure which route I'd go, standard vs. talon.

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

Yes, that is correct. And remember that the heads are interchangable. You don't have to buy a whole new release if you decide you'd rather have the other.

Don't get me wrong though on the double ball. It isn't bad at all, if you use a peep, it has an advantage of lining it up for you. Also, you still hunt, you can attach your release to the string, and leave it on (you can do that with a talon and string loop also).

I agree about expediting a shoot. If you practice smooth releases however, the accuracy issue should be minimal. It still has to be smooth however.

I don't know about that, it sounds like his opinion, I guess.

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

Yes, but when a puncher has everything timed just right they can't be beat!!!!

RE: Expert: T-style releases not as accurate when "punched".
 

I think you mean a boxer.:D