Going to the Dark Side
 

Ok I hate to admit it but I am thinking of making a change. I have been a strictly mathews man for a long time now and have quite a collection of their bows Lx-Legacy Q1-Q2. I think 5 or 6 years ago mathews was with out a doubt the cream of the crop, but as bad as I hate to admit it I think Bow Tech has caught them. I have been shooting a few different Bow Techs over the last month and have to say they are every bit as good of a bow as mathews. I am going to make the change and would like some imput from you bow tech shooters. One of the reasons I am thinking of switching is that mathews only makes bows up to 70lb limbs. I would like to try a bowtech with 90lb limbs mostly out of pure curiosity. Here are my questions.
1. How is the shock on the heavy limbed bows
2. Noise ?
3. Noticable difference on acuracy?
4. Broadhead flight?
5. Bow type suggestions

Thank You for any help or advice

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you MEAN leaving THE DARK SIDE....................lol.....:D:D

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You're not the only one. Can't wait to get my hands on a dually, or maybe a liberty or a justice. To many great bows and so little time.

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My friend you have just decided to step into the light:D

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My buddy bought a new mathews outback and i bought a bowtech justice! He pulled the bowtech back and then droped head and sead i should have bought a bowtech it`s so smooth[8D] I think switching to Bowtech is a wise idia;)

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2 of the 4 known bowtech pushers have chimed in on a mathews thread. Coincidence?.... I think not...........


[8D]

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We have secret code

other two come quick

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Double Creek:
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Did I not read the original post correctly? [:o] [&:]

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Exactly!!![8D]

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bowtech is catching up because they essentially copied mathews..oops did i say that too loud? oh well, i guess if you want a bowtech, get one...70 lbs is more than enough to kill most critters on this continent...

slayer

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Do I sence some bow envy coming from you??? Hey, don't hate the player hate the game.

BowTech RULES!!! I purposely said that too loud;)

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Are you sure about 90#'s? Most people switch to Bowtech so they can pull less pounds. I think that your going to have a hard time finding a dealer that stocks a 90 lb'er so you might not be able to shoot it before you buy. And if you should happen to not like the weight it will be an expensive lesson. Just my 2 cents.

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90# that hurts my sholder just thinkin about it

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If you didn't like the extra weight you can buy replacement limbs for around $100. So I say more power to you. If you can comfortably pull it go for it.

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LOL

This kind of thing is NEVER ending...

While were at it whats better Ford or Chevy?

Polaris or Honda?

Remington or Winchester?

It is not the BOW that matters the shooter is the most important part of the equation!!

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That's SOOOooo 1990's..:eek:

Everyone knows in the new millenium BowTech Rules and Everyone Else Drools...

It's the new B.R.E.E.D.

:D;)

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oh corey, to answer your question, honda is much better than polaris. the only decent thing polaris has is an independant rear suspension. honda or kawasaki makes the best quad out there for hunting IMHO. back to bows...no buckeye, lol, no envy. bowtech makes awesome bows...mathew's just makes them a bit better:D

slayer

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I have two friends with 80 lb. Bowtechs........all I can say is I'm very jealous! they love them. The deer don't! I would really like to shoot 80 lbs. I think its time to really start working out!

Good Luck!

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80#s isn't really needed anymore.... esp on deer sized game. I used to shoot an 80# PSE Carroll Intruder back when I was in high school... it was pretty easy for me to do at the time. I couldn't do it now if I wanted to. Back during that time.. it's what you had to do to shoot "fast" (300fps). I'm shooting my Patriot dually at 67# right now.. and I wouldn't want to even attempt to draw an 80# dually. It was shooting 296 fps at 62# w/ a 327gr arrow. Considering the amount of enery these bows are putting out today.. heavy weights are just another way to say you have a small..... uhh... brain.. that's it...

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Why not step up to a real bow? If your going to spend the money.

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Here's a 2004 bow test I found on the bowsite,,,, if they would have tested a Patriot VFT instead of the Liberty there would be a very different outcome. The Liberty still only lost by 1 point;)
http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/featu...004headtohead/

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Lost by 1 point to who?[8D]:D
Mathews has a few other bows in their lineup also.;)

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Ever wonder why a Bowtech looks kinda like a Mathews?????????????? Hmmm I have been told the owners of Bow Tech are old Mathews Techs Hmmmmmm???? What Ever! they are both Great bows period. How come you dont see Mathews people bashing Bowtech?? This is for the Guy that wants to shoot 90LB limbs, Does your toe hitch have a pair of testicals or what!!! hunting for elephants?? would like to see if that bow stay's tuned very long....

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I used to hear this quite a bit but not so much anymore, especially since many dealers across the board are carrying both brands now and having great sales from both...

Other than looking similar in geometry, how else does it seem to you that BowTech has copied Mathews?

Here's my take on the subject...

BowTech doesn't use a roller guard, string suppressors, ZebraTwist Bowstring, harmonic dampeners, Perimeter-Weighted Technology, V-lock limb pockets, centerline grip, 7-8 page advertisements, 110+ pro-staffers or Realtree camo.


Yep, I'd say there's a lot of copying going on huh?;):D

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Not true, no one I know that works for BowTech has ever worked for Mathews in the past...

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Yep.. my Bowtech Patriot dually is a direct copy of a Mathews... uhh... uhh... uhh... Oh yeah... hold on... wait a min.. it's coming to me...

It's amazing the BS that the Mathews dealers come up w/... and their customers believe every word of it.

"Didn't you hear.. Mathews is sueing Bowtech for copying them.. and they'll be out of business soon."

That's by far my favorite one...

Didn't Mathews copy several of their "innovations" from Martin?

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GMARC:
How typical. This thread was started by a guy asking about BowTech (a Mathews shooter). Look what you Mathews shooters are turning it into. Who's bashing Mathews here? Do you know what pretzel logic is?

Texarkanimal, I haven't shot a Samson VFT, so I can't answer your questions from personal experience, other than to say they will smoke an arrow. And the couple of people that I've spoken with that have them, like them very much. Staying in tune is not an issue. Since the VFT is a very quiet bow to begin with, I suspect it would be fine in that regard. The heavy limbs, I'd think, would produce more recoil and vibration. But then you will be shooting a very heavy arrow, so much of that will be negated. Hope this helps and, welcome to the light.

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Just so you guys know where I stand, I think Hoyt bows are still the best. Problem being around here the bow tec guys are shooting pro fortys for 3D but most are having trouble getting the speed they want out of the bow. Same for the Mathews Ovation. I wonder what they were thinking when they bought a bow with an 8 inch brace height. Oh well, I don't have any trouble getting speed out of any of my Hoyts. Food for thought.

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Bees, which Pro 40? You mention 8" brace. The F cam wasn't designed to be a fast bow. But I will say this, if I wanted to shoot ASA I'd have to shoot my F cam, which will shoot 280 at 5 gpp. I'd have to borrow ArthurP's arrows to slow my Dually down enough to be legal, or shoot at 40#. ;)
I always love that preface.

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I have an 80 lb Samson VFT and a 100 lb Samson on the original Extreme solo platform.
If you are up to the extra poundage I see no reason why you can't shoot them as well an any other bow, but my experience has shown them to require more maintenance. Strings wear out quicker, keeping accessories tight is a hasell, carbon arrows that may be adequately spined initially degrade quicker, and as long as you stay at 5 gr/lb are not much faster than a 70 lb bow. Yes, the KE is a lot higher, but that is a moot point with any animal I'm going to hunt.

Just a quick opinion,
Vic

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I appreciate the feedback on the topic so far. I do understand that I do not need a bow with 90lb limbs but how many of you have things you don't need. I was just interested in tinkering around with it out of curiosity. I plan on ordering a lighter pair of limbs to hunt with because as it has been said you don't need anymore than 70 lbs on any animal in North America. I would rather take quiet and smooth any day of the week over speed when hunting. Best way to describe it is "Hey your truck might be able to run 120 mph if you wan't it to but you don't always drive that fast. Same thing with a bow with 90lb limbs. As for mahews and bowtech debate.

As for the Mathews Bowtech debate: A dead deer is not concernd what bow he was shot with!

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Well I have never been a mathews fan but I have shot Pearson, High Country, Hoyt and Parker but this year I got a Bowtech and could not be more pleased with my choice. Good luck with your Bowtech!!!

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Mathew's owners dont tend to turn rabid on bowtech owners most of the time..let them be that way...green with envy..Answer me this: If bowtech is so much better, why does mathews DOMINATE on the 3-D circuit? hmmm.....thats what i thought...Mike Beatty was shooting a mathews when he shot his buck..not saying it had anything to do with him killing the buck,but bowtech can't claim a P&Y world recrod..food for thought

slayer

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Both are great bows & have a market. I have shot plenty of both & I will say the new Liberty is one of the best shooting bows I have shot in a long time.

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What did you think? LOL...I can't wait to hear this one...;)


If you're talking about Pro classes I'd say the answer's pretty simple and if you're talking amateurs, BowTech bow shooters have claimed some titles in varying classes as well as winning the IBO's "Best of The Best" in 2001...;):D



Umm, I'm not sure if you know this but Mike couldn't claim a P&Y record either until they lifted the 65% let off rule this year because his Mathews bow had high let off. ;):D

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slayer's signature explains allot of things. A.D.D. :D :D